The south making it a thing to let everyone know they don’t listen to jay Z is forced and corny

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Son it's one thing if he just said he didn't like Jay Z. It's the nikka talkin bout how Pac would have have his wife if he was alive. All kinda shyt. It's obviously deeper than music for this nikka and anyone acting like they don't see that is being disingenuous. Then this nikka brought up a whole South vs New York argument unprovoked. @IllmaticDelta u my guy but u know this nikka on some flagrant shyt. Lol


Dude clearly doesn't like Jay and since Jayz is the mainstream face of NYC, it might seem like he has a beef with NYC in general. But since he clearly showed love to 50cent and DMX who are also big mainstream faces of NYC rap, I'm gonna say he has more dislike for Jay/media slurping of Jay, than anything to do with NYC in general.
 

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Hell, the New-New York being hated on by the old New York because of the new New York embracing sounds from other regions(trap, drill, etc).
Nas disrespect started in the Blueprint era and continued well after Nas dropped God's Son and "I can". Uncle Murda mocked Nas for that, and then the south saw that shyt, and took the ball and ran with it. Thats why Gucci Mane, TI, and others hopped on that "fukk Nas wave" for years on end, even after they themselves became successful.
So NYC themselves basically opened the floodgates for one of their goats to be hated on. :ohhh:
 

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Dude clearly doesn't like Jay and since Jayz is the mainstream face of NYC, it might seem like he has a beef with NYC in general. But since he clearly showed love to 50cent and DMX who are also big mainstream faces of NYC rap, I'm gonna say he has more dislike for Jay/media slurping of Jay, than anything to do with NYC in general.
The nikka tried to dismiss Mary J Blige brodie. Lol. Said we don't have a rich music history.
 

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Hell, the New-New York being hated on by the old New York because of the new New York embracing sounds from other regions(trap, drill, etc).
So NYC themselves basically opened the floodgates for one of their goats to be hated on. :ohhh:

It started out as a Jay vs Nas thing, and the south took it as hating on anyone with a large vocabulary. At one point, the south hated on anyone that even sounded intelligent.
 

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Carolina’s used to mess with Jay-Z and New York rappers heavy. I always assumed it was because of the the family connections whereas most Georgia peoples relatives are in the Midwest or deeper south. Georgia always had their own thing going. You can contrast it with little brother and J Cole versus say Gucci mane and them. Jeezy from South Carolina too.
 

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How To Rob. 50 making a song about every artist known to man to get some buzz. Jay Z responding “I’m about a dolla who the fukk is 50 cent” and those two having a generally frosty relationship from there on out. Even tho both have been the biggest names in NYC hip hop post Biggie smalls. A beef that could’ve easily been put to the side. Yet 50 has still taken little pop shots for reasons unknown. Hell, 50 cent and just about any New Yorker. 50 could have a whole beef series by himself against New York. But hey, “the south is just some haters. Why they stay hating on our goats?” Y’all’s goats hate on y’all’s goats. :mjlol:
Look at where u got to go to prove your point lol
 

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The nikka tried to dismiss Mary J Blige brodie. Lol. Said we don't have a rich music history.


He compared her to Toni Braxton who made (early on) more traditional (heavy on the ballads) R&B music. Mary represented the more HipHop influenced style of R&B, which wasn't respected by the older generation of R&B producers/singers at first.
 
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I can only really go about my circle of peers and their peers. Jay-Z was always pretty popular here, starting around Vol 2. Of course he wasn't UGK or Eightball and MJG popular but nikkas def was messing with Jay at least among people I KNEW.
 

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Let's do it like this: since we have a lot of folks on this board that started to listen to rap in 2005.

Those who could listen to rap in this time frame:

I traveled the Southern states very often, I had siblings and a bunch of relatives that went to HBCUs and in the 90s, that's where the culture for young adults live, Kappa Beach, Freak Nic, Bayou Classic, Heritage bowls and other HBCUs Homecomings, and other HBCU classic football and basketball games.
These environments was where you would hear music, at your HS/Middle Schools too.
Big HBCU Parties, Family Reunions was a thing across the South in the 90s

I'll start here 1995-1998
In the Southern states, who was the rapper that was most played from NYC?

There was NO INTERNET, most kids as I said in the other thread, did not purchase rap albums all willy nilly like they can do today. Most kids listened to what their older siblings bumped or younger uncles bumped, If you were in that 35-50 age bracket and you were black you did not listen to rap music or rappers that came out in the mid-90s, the majority did not fukk wit it like we fukk with the music today, 90s R&B was blazing, and if those middle aged folks did fukk with rap, it was the old school rappers, like LL, Too Short, Ice Cube, those rappers who were out in the early 90s late 80s. Music was not freely available like it is now.
Even 2pac caught slack from those black folks and older white folks in that age bracket. You rarely caught a black man or black woman in 1994 over the age of 34 bumping a whole 2pac album. That just was not the setup. 2pac was on the radio now, but to have black folks in their 40s and 30s bumping his Cd, Hell no, that was not the case AT all
Being on the radio was the shyt.

Down here in the South from 1995-1997, it was Mase, (and it was mostly his radio singles, not his album being bumped at these locations that I listed) DMX, (you could hear his whole album in these settings, along with the Ruff Ryders) (Nas, you would hear mainly his radio singles) Old Biggie, his whole album got played heavy. I remember that R.Kelly song played like hell at these events. Puff and his radio singles.

There was NO Redman, album or singles being played down here, no Method Man, (Ghostface had a radio single that caught on for a second down here, I can't remember that song, he had a video for it)

Jay (his radio singles would get play, I remember Aint No nikka being played somewhat on the radio, but Foxy Brown was the person that folks down here was checking for. Lil Kim shyt got bumped at these settings.

Jay-Z at that time was not on NOBODY's RADAR across the SOUTH. Nobody was calling up the radio stations in their local area requesting anything by Jay-Z, Many were calling up requesting Outkast, Dungeon Family, No Limit, Cash Money, Suave House, Rap-A-Lot, the East Coast cats I named, West Coast Cats I named. Bone. Twista,
Big Pun got play because he had a nice radio single with Joe. His album was NOT played


Twista and Po Pimp in that time frame got more play in the South than Jay-Z, Bone, Cruical Conflict. Hell The Dayton Family got more play down here because they were on that Down South Hustler album. P got them down here.

I would hope folks would understand how Southern folks may feel when the media host Jay-Z as this top dog of all top dogs when that was not the case when he was out with his peers.
 
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Your average 35-40 year old black man or black woman was not riding around the South in 1990-2000 bumping rappers all day long like how we do now.
Your average 35-40 year old black man or black woman was not sitting on the computer or in their house bumping rap music all day long between 1990-2000
This was not the case.
That age bracket would hear it at these settings that I stated in my previous post.

Your college crowd, high schoolers, younger cousins, young uncles, mostly in the age range of 18-30 would bump rap music and then it would not be on an all-day type setup.
90s R&B was the shyt, you would usually hear rap songs when "going to a party" or at a party. You heard rap music all the time was if you stayed in the hood/projects part of town and it wasn't everybody playing the music either. The one whose hooking up their car, you heard it there or it was the one who was outside sitting in their car, scoring or just chilling out.

Rap music was NOT an all day all night thing in the 1990s, you did not walk into an average black house and hear rap music blasting and such. That was not the case, even if you had friends, if you wasn't over 18, you as a kid wasn't blasting that shyt in your mama house all the time, lol. That shyt was not the setup. You wasn't playing Sega blasting that shyt, hell no. If that shyt was being played, it was played by your older sister or brother or cousin, not your 9 year old ass. Black parents, grandmas were not having that rap shyt blasted in their house like that in the 90s

Even radio had certain hours on when they would play just rap, they may sneak in a song here and there, but for the most part FM radio played R&B music, then at night, there was a rap countdown or so and they would play an hour or 2 hours worth of rap songs. During that time, you would hear mainly the folks that were hot in your region, which for Southern in the 90s was NL, CMR, Tela, UGK, Kast, Dungeon Family, Ball and G, 2pac, Bone, Po Pimp, Twista, and more.
If a NYC rapper had a "huge" radio single, Like Puffy, "All about the Benjamins" Then that would be in the countdown, but if you didn't have a "huge" radio hit like Nas "If I ruled the World" yo shyt was not making it on the air waves which means that nobody would play your shyt which means that you was irrelevant to us down here

Jay Z never had a "huge" radio single until that Annie song and Can I get a which was "huge" because of the movie Rush Hour, Chris Tucker was on fire at the time.

That's how the shyt was setup back then.

When Gipp or any other Southern poster say that Jay-Z was pretty a nobody when his peers were popping at the time, this is what they mean.



Yall can't take 2023 rules and apply to rules and the way shyt was set up in 1996.

You will never understand Gipp's and others POV and always look at it as "hate"
 

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I guess New York is the only place that copped a top 4 rapper all time in sales.

the west nor south bought Jay Z records. Also New Yorkers flew all over to fill up arenas in the south and the west being nobody fukked with Jay Z

shyts pretty incredible if u ask me. jay would be Michael Jackson status only if the south and west supported him. Only if
 

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Nas disrespect started in the Blueprint era and continued well after Nas dropped God's Son and "I can". Uncle Murda mocked Nas for that,
That was the NY beef that stemmed from Jayz and then continued by 50cent and carried over to Uncle Murda

and then the south saw that shyt, and took the ball and ran with it. Thats why Gucci Mane, TI, and others hopped on that "fukk Nas wave" for years on end, even after they themselves became successful.

The South beef was really over "HipHop Is Dead" but they picked up some of the talking points from the NY cats that first dissed Nas lol
 
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