The south making it a thing to let everyone know they don’t listen to jay Z is forced and corny

[1thouwow]

Shawty Lo was a Jay-Z fan

Yeah we could tell by his music

 

[Wild self]

That was the NY beef that stemmed from Jayz and then continued by 50cent and carried over to Uncle Murda



The South beef was really over "HipHop Is Dead" but they picked up some of the talking points from the NY cats that first dissed Nas lol

In the formative commercial years when the south blew up, they did they best to undermine lyricism as a whole because they associated lyricism = NY = sounding smart. They pushed and doubled down on the strip club shyt and made narratives that lyricism doesn't sell and is irrelevant to drunken hoes.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

This seems like a NYC vs Atlanta thing not NYC vs the South

 

[IllmaticDelta]

In the formative commercial years when the south blew up, they did they best to undermine lyricism as a whole because they associated lyricism = NY = sounding smart.

I don't think so. They associated lyrical miracle with NYC but the guys they always cited as the best in the South were straight poets: Andre 3000 and Scarface

They pushed and doubled down on the strip club shyt and made narratives that lyricism doesn't sell and is irrelevant to drunken hoes.

you're talking more in the Crunk era

 

[Jean Jacket]

Let's do it like this: since we have a lot of folks on this board that started to listen to rap in 2005.

Those who could listen to rap in this time frame:

I traveled the Southern states very often, I had siblings and a bunch of relatives that went to HBCUs and in the 90s, that's where the culture for young adults live, Kappa Beach, Freak Nic, Bayou Classic, Heritage bowls and other HBCUs Homecomings, and other HBCU classic football and basketball games.
These environments was where you would hear music, at your HS/Middle Schools too.
Big HBCU Parties, Family Reunions was a thing across the South in the 90s

I'll start here 1995-1998
In the Southern states, who was the rapper that was most played from NYC?

There was NO INTERNET, most kids as I said in the other thread, did not purchase rap albums all willy nilly like they can do today. Most kids listened to what their older siblings bumped or younger uncles bumped, If you were in that 35-50 age bracket and you were black you did not listen to rap music or rappers that came out in the mid-90s, the majority did not fukk wit it like we fukk with the music today, 90s R&B was blazing, and if those middle aged folks did fukk with rap, it was the old school rappers, like LL, Too Short, Ice Cube, those rappers who were out in the early 90s late 80s. Music was not freely available like it is now.
Even 2pac caught slack from those black folks and older white folks in that age bracket. You rarely caught a black man or black woman in 1994 over the age of 34 bumping a whole 2pac album. That just was not the setup. 2pac was on the radio now, but to have black folks in their 40s and 30s bumping his Cd, Hell no, that was not the case AT all
Being on the radio was the shyt.

Down here in the South from 1995-1997, it was Mase, (and it was mostly his radio singles, not his album being bumped at these locations that I listened) DMX, (you could hear his whole album in these settings, along with the Ruff Ryders) (Nas, you would hear mainly his radio singles) Old Biggie, his whole album got played heavy. I remember that R.Kelly song played like hell at these events. Puff and his radio singles.

There was NO Redman, album or singles being played down here, no Method Man, (Ghostface had a radio single that caught on for a second down here, I can't remember that song, he had a video for it)

Jay (his radio singles would get play, I remember Aint No nikka being played somewhat on the radio, but Foxy Brown was the person that folks down here was checking for. Lil Kim shyt got bumped at these settings.

Jay-Z at that time was not on NOBODY's RADAR across the SOUTH. Nobody was calling up the radio stations in their local area requesting anything by Jay-Z, Many were calling up requesting Outkast, Dungeon Family, No Limit, Cash Money, Suave House, Rap-A-Lot, the East Coast cats I named, West Coast Cats I named. Bone. Twista,
Big Pun got play because he had a nice radio single with Joe. His album was NOT played


Twista and Po Pimp in that time frame got more play in the South than Jay-Z, Bone, Cruical Conflict. Hell The Dayton Family got more play down here because they were on that Down South Hustler album. P got them down here.

I would hope folks would understand how Southern folks may feel when the media host Jay-Z as this top dog of all top dogs when that was not the case when he was out with his peers.

 

[Jean Jacket]

Different culture. Different music.

Plus it was a rivalry.

Yall forget the Source awards. NY hated everything.

You would get laughed at playing JayZ at the club or in the car in 95-96 in GA.

The feeling was mutual.

Life was more laid back and fun in Atlanta in the 90s and NY rappers just came off as too serious and angry or obscure to people that wanted to Bankhead bounce and tootsie roll.

 

[bordeaux]

majority of hiphop fans in general like jay z. hes always had plenty of fans here. maybe he wasnt put of high enough pedestal for you. bc there were def artists considered more popular and relevant at pretty much every era of his career. majority of folks dont have the time and energy to muster up enough care to "hate" him like some of you nerds think.

 

[spliz]

Different culture. Different music.

Plus it was a rivalry.

Yall forget the Source awards. NY hated everything.

You would get laughed at playing JayZ at the club or in the car in 95-96 in GA.

The feeling was mutual.

Life was more laid back and fun in Atlanta in the 90s and NY rappers just came off as too serious and angry or obscure to people that wanted to Bankhead bounce and tootsie roll.

No we didn't. shyt songs like Whoomp There It Is. Tootsie Roll and Daisy Dukes was heavy up here too. My Boo got CRAZY burn. The PEOPLE up here fukked wit everything. Yes we PREFERRED our artists but so did the South. And the West. shyt u know how many nikkas LOVED Bone Thugs? Po Pimpin was on the radio 24/7 by Do or Die. Elevators. When No Limit came out it got heavy play. Even Master P's movies. Cash Money came out and it was wraps. I was at the Ruff Ryders/Cash Money concert. Let's not get started with how much nikkas loved Death Row artists. The Pharcyde. Souls Of Mischief. All of JD's artists etc etc.

 

[Harry B]

I love how people take the words out of the loudest and mr irrelevant of Dungeon family who wouldn't a solo career if he wasn't in a group with Cee-lo as some type of representative for 50 % of the United States


Jay-z smallest show in Atlanta is probably as big as his biggest show.

 

[Frump]

Your average 35-40 year old black man or black woman was not riding around the South in 1990-2000 bumping rappers all day long like how we do now.
Your average 35-40 year old black man or black woman was not sitting on the computer or in their house bumping rap music all day long between 1990-2000
This was not the case.
That age bracket would hear it at these settings that I stated in my previous post.

Your college crowd, high schoolers, younger cousins, young uncles, mostly in the age range of 18-30 would bump rap music and then it would not be on an all-day type setup.
90s R&B was the shyt, you would usually hear rap songs when "going to a party" or at a party. You heard rap music all the time was if you stayed in the hood/projects part of town and it wasn't everybody playing the music either. The one whose hooking up their car, you heard it there or it was the one who was outside sitting in their car, scoring or just chilling out.

Rap music was NOT an all day all night thing in the 1990s, you did not walk into an average black house and hear rap music blasting and such. That was not the case, even if you had friends, if you wasn't over 18, you as a kid wasn't blasting that shyt in your mama house all the time, lol. That shyt was not the setup. You wasn't playing Sega blasting that shyt, hell no. If that shyt was being played, it was played by your older sister or brother or cousin, not your 9 year old ass. Black parents, grandmas were not having that rap shyt blasted in their house like that in the 90s

Even radio had certain hours on when they would play just rap, they may sneak in a song here and there, but for the most part FM radio played R&B music, then at night, there was a rap countdown or so and they would play an hour or 2 hours worth of rap songs. During that time, you would hear mainly the folks that were hot in your region, which for Southern in the 90s was NL, CMR, Tela, UGK, Kast, Dungeon Family, Ball and G, 2pac, Bone, Po Pimp, Twista, and more.
If a NYC rapper had a "huge" radio single, Like Puffy, "All about the Benjamins" Then that would be in the countdown, but if you didn't have a "huge" radio hit like Nas "If I ruled the World" yo shyt was not making it on the air waves which means that nobody would play your shyt which means that you was irrelevant to us down here

Jay Z never had a "huge" radio single until that Annie song and Can I get a which was "huge" because of the movie Rush Hour, Chris Tucker was on fire at the time.

That's how the shyt was setup back then.

When Gipp or any other Southern poster say that Jay-Z was pretty a nobody when his peers were popping at the time, this is what they mean.



Yall can't take 2023 rules and apply to rules and the way shyt was set up in 1996.

You will never understand Gipp's and others POV and always look at it as "hate"

So if the south really didn’t fukk with nyc artists all that much and preferred their own why do they always whine about nyc having a bias for their own when they do the same shyt?

Every region prefers their own but nyc is tbf only place that gets shyt for it

 

[Cladyclad]

people really hate it’s no rapper that can stunt on jay. so they feel they have to humble him I guess

 

[Frump]

No we didn't. shyt songs like Whoomp There It Is. Tootsie Roll and Daisy Dukes was heavy up here too. My Boo got CRAZY burn. The PEOPLE up here fukked wit everything. Yes we PREFERRED our artists but so did the South. And the West. shyt u know how many nikkas LOVED Bone Thugs? Po Pimpin was on the radio 24/7 by Do or Die. Elevators. When No Limit came out it got heavy play. Even Master P's movies. Cash Money came out and it was wraps. I was at the Ruff Ryders/Cash Money concert. Let's not get started with how much nikkas loved Death Row artists. The Pharcyde. Souls Of Mischief. All of JD's artists etc etc.

Yep. As a 42 year old dude from Queens obviously the nyc 90’s boom bap Nas Biggie Jay z Mobb Deep is my favorite era and what I grew up on but I loved all that sh1t you mentioned

Dre and Snoop really got me heavy into hiphop I also loved stuff from the south the dungeon family geto boys etc and as you said those songs were all played on nyc radio

Imo it sounds like we gave their music more of a chance then vice versa

If you want to be real with it culturally I think we just love music in general more.

Down south you hear dudes talk all the time about how music is basically just for the clubs and strip clubs.

They think anything deeper then that to listen to is corny and too lyrically miracle

Obviously not everyone but speaking in general terms

 

[CarltonJunior]

It's because every NYer wears NY on their sleeve even if they haven't been there in 20 years. We hate a "I'm from NY" ass nikka

These nikkas dikkride Jay all day like we really give a fukk about Jay Z

 

[NO-BadAzz]

So if the south really didn’t fukk with nyc artists all that much and preferred their own why do they always whine about nyc having a bias for their own when they do the same shyt?

Every region prefers their own but nyc is tbf only place that gets shyt for it

I wouldn't say that the south didn't fukk with NY artist, at the time, again in the 90s, NY/East Coast rap was more lyrical, than the South's music. Different formats and the Southerners did not care for all that lyrical boom bap rap. I stated the South did listen to NY rappers, Nas, Mase, Bigge, DMX got major played down here in 98, Busta's huge radio single, I got you in check, got play, LL. The Southerners fukk with some of yall rappers. Busta even said he fukked with the Dungeon Family heavy.

The Big Gipp situation, he's looking in the lens from 1993, how things were and how things are now. From his lens from 1992/3, through the 90s, that's dayum near a whole decade, Jay-Z was NOT that dude. Jay-Z started to "become" that dude 2003? Maybe? and 50 came and chopped that down. There were many NYC rappers bigger than him in that time span, that's what he's saying. In the 90s, the South or West, MidWest did not fukk with this dude Jay-Z when he was out and amongst his peers in the industry.

That's what Gipp is saying, but those who weren't around in that decade can't seem to understand it and they look at it as Gipp's hating but again, they are trying to bring 2023 rules into the 1990s.

The 90s and where we are today are night and day when it comes to the rap game. Two Completely Different Worlds. Jay in the 90s was your Harold Minor per say, Sebastian Telfair, you heard folks trying to hype him up after Biggie died, but then DMX came and crushed the building on that.

The problem I believe when it comes to NY bias is when you try and shyt on Southern rappers as if the South did not have their own lane and their own great rappers.

The Southern folks do not clown or shyt on NY rappers, we respect the rappers, but many southerners weren't fukking with the music and style, with the exception of a few that I listed. The South would always try and reach out to put out records with East Coast cats in the 90s, some were successful, Mia X and Foxy, JD and Jay-Z, and some others, this was NOT the case for East Coast rappers (I may be wrong) but Southern labels and artists always tried to collaborate with NY rappers.

In the 90s, how many NYC rappers featured a Southern artist on their shyt?? but you can name huge radio singles where Southern artists featured a NY rapper.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

I love how people take the words out of the loudest and mr irrelevant of Dungeon family who wouldn't a solo career if he wasn't in a group with Cee-lo as some type of representative for 50 % of the United States


Jay-z smallest show in Atlanta is probably as big as his biggest show.

Are you saying that now in 2023 vs 1997/1998/1999? Would that be the case?