The Toxic Masculinity Debate
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yes, let's place a moratorium on it's usage until we can have a more academic discourse. Until then, we can find other language to describe men teaching young boys to suppress their emotions because "men don't cry".
How do we describe the irrational fear of people assuming men are gay if they aren't standing in a certain way or if their wrists are hanging at the wrong angle of attack?
Again, Matt cut the passive aggressive shyt
I don't mind civil discourse
You think your smarter than everyone. Stop.
And to answer your question; homophobia. Simple. Direct.
The convo around "toxic masculinity" leaves no room for the women who say "boys don't cry," the economic effect on men's sense of self, the fact men are the biggest victims of violence, etc.
"Toxic Masculinity" is pseudo science not unlike using head size to determine intelligence.
Why can it just be “toxic ignorance”? Ignorant men don’t own masculinity and their ignorant views on masculinity aren’t the gospel.
“Toxic masculinity” is a loaded term that’s part of an agenda to demonize masculinity in and of itself.
There's plenty of room for nuanced discussions about toxic masculinity, the problem is that many men aren't open to having it because there's an idea that masculinity is "under attack".
I think the comparison of phrenology to a term used to describe a warped idea of masculinity is a bit disingenuous.
If the "agenda" was meant to demonize masculinity, it would be more useful to drop the qualifier and attack masculinity head on.
There is toxic femininity. Women do shyt based off internalized nonsense that becomes coded as acceptable simply b/c they are women. In relation to toxic masculinity, women have developed their own brand of bullshyt to navigate these tricky social waters. And it’s hard to pick it apart b/c u get accused of being a monster.
For instance, I know a female who is a walking, breathing false rape charge. She is so desperate for attention that she constantly engages in risky sexual behavior that she regrets afterwards. But then she tries to finesse these encounters in her head as being forced b/c she wants a narrative of someone who overcame assault to gain attention.
That’s toxic. And difficult to confront without looking like an insensitive, creepy a$$hole. One time I told her she kept putting herself in these situations to gain a sense of self-worth thru victimhood and suffice it to say...we don’t speak anymore.
Regardless, being willing to potentially ruin somebody else’s life and shyt on others who HAVE been assaulted to get an attention fix...AND then making anybody who calls bullshyt seen like they are the enemy is classic Toxic Femininity 101.
Also complaining about men not showing their emotions, while simultaneously shaming them if they demonstrate any forms of affection with loved ones is another form. And men participate in this too but women do as well.
Nobody is faultless. The only reason Toxic masculinity is more in your face is because men physically are more in ur face as a gender based on physiology.
Trust me, I NEVER deny male fukkery. Hell I got a legion of rejects pissed at me for calling it out gleefully every chance I get.
But, women aren’t faultless either...in my humble opinion.
All due respect (because it's hard to have these convos civil and i try) you just repeated yourself.
Your case for marginalizing dissent is...because it's dissent. Not because you've actually explored the points and presented evidence against them.
An extremely unbias case for femininity and the aggressive ways it's been "preserved" in America can be made.
Watch 'Rosewood.'
No, it wouldn't be white women doing it, but, white men would burn a town down over an accusation.
Emmett Till. Reckless eye balling.
The primary demonization black males is the idea they could sullying the femininity of white women.
I'll stop there, but, identity politics are entirely too bias and rudimentary for my taste.
Both sides are to blame.
Of course you've got the Red Pillers.
But, I see white women hiding women-ness when they iron and wash their men's Klan hoods.
Masculinity isn't "under attack" but it is consistently juxtaposed against homosexuality, transsexuality and femininity. And, if were being honest, marginalized.
I think that's fair.
The argument against men kissing and hugging their friends or fathers is "well, that's an arbitrary boundary and ___ doesn't have that boundary, it's toxic."
A heterosexual women can be uncomfortable with kissing her Dad. His argument can't be for her to "drop that boundary...it's limiting my ability to express affection."
In the end, the concept ('toxic masculinity') doesn't allow nuance when it's target is the actions of men.
I'm down to talk about masculinity, homophobia, violence and mental health in a 360 degree manner all day.
Toxic maculinity is a thing sure. Expecting a little boy to man up and not cry when they get hurt or even silly shyt like coli nikkas being afraid of looking like a gay couple because they went to the movies with another man are examples but I feel like men have a right to define our own behavior and set our own bounderies.
Yeah I get that. A lot of loser reject made the concept of toxic femininity a joke b/c they are being emotionally reactionary to any critique of male fukkery.
However, that doesn’t make genuine female fukkery obsolete. There are a collective of females that are supertrash toxic wastelands. Many are mothers.
But it’s tricky b/c much like holding men accountable will get u labeled as a basher or a man hater or a feminist bytch
, holding women accountable can have even worse effects like being considered a monster, a creep, a pervert, losing ur job, going to jail for false rape charges...All kinds of shyt.
The shyt the loser, alt-right rejects are talking about isn’t actual toxic femininity. They are desirous of a time when women had limited rights and opportunities b/c they think this atmosphere would be more conducive to women actually wanting them.
But toxic femininity is more subtle than these crazy women getting all uppity and being dumb and choosing fun over cooking, cleaning, getting slapped around and cheated on every now and again by a dude who thinks she’s lesser.
No toxic femininity is being unable talk about female child molestors b/c women hide their dirt behind the mythos of inferiority and victimhood.
Y’all gotta start thinking for yourselves instead of just going along with the programming. Men not wanting go to the movies with a male friend, men saying “no homo/pause” after every other sentence, etc out of fear of being perceived as gay has nothing to do with toxic masculinity. Those are examples of men being insecure in their sexuality. The fact that y’all are equating fear with masculinity shows that y’all don’t understand what masculinity is. Being scared to express yourself out of fear of what others think is the opposite of being masculine.
As far as the “boys need to man up and not be so quick to cry” issue, we need more of that not less. People are very dishonest. When we tell young boys to “man up and don’t be a crybaby” all we’re saying is to stop being led by your emotions. Most times when kids(not babies) are crying it’s for attention. That little boy that cries because he can’t get his way needs to be taught to “man up” because he’s just being emotionally manipulative. The little boys who start crying because they fall down and scrape a knee or suffer some other minor injury also need to be taught to “man up” because they’re not crying from the pain, they’re crying for attention. That kind of behavior can be more easily tolerated from little girls because even as adults women are expected to act off emotion and use their emotions to get attention. Society allows them that. It doesn’t fly for grown men tho, so that kind of behavior needs to be nipped in the bud at a young age. A young boy living his life led by emotion is going to go to jail or get killed out here.
It’s a detriment to our community that it’s not nipped in the bud because these young boys who are raised to be feminized and led by their emotions are the same ones terrorizing the community. These young “dusty” males running around aren’t masculine they’re feminine. They literally think like women. A lot of you posters here think like women too.
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Looks like a picture staged to evoke discussion. I think it’s the fact that dude doesn’t have a shirt on that’s throwing ppl for a loop.
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1. Dude is still a kid low key so leave him alone.
2. Even if he was grown at least it's not that weird naked son and pops in a tub stuff that some whites do.
3. Feminists always talk about men promoting toxic masculinity, but never check women like this.
2. Even if he was grown at least it's not that weird naked son and pops in a tub stuff that some whites do.
3. Feminists always talk about men promoting toxic masculinity, but never check women like this.