The Undertaker is Overrated

[Killer Instinct]

 

[qnsfinest]

Again stop judging him on just his WM matches. Look at his 20+ year body of work

And that bischoff part is BS

Ok lets look at 20+ year body of work.

Great mystique character, legend character.

Average mic work, average in ring work. He's had maybe 7-10 memorable matches and 2 of those were gimmick HIAC matches and even the one with foley is only remembered because of foleys bumps.

like I said, he is a legend no doubt. But he is nowhere in the list for top anything.

 

[Silkk]

Ok lets look at 20+ year body of work.

Great mystique character, legend character.

Average mic work, average in ring work. He's had maybe 7-10 memorable matches and 2 of those were gimmick HIAC matches and even the one with foley is only remembered because of foleys bumps.

like I said, he is a legend no doubt. But he is nowhere in the list for top anything.

Whatever Man

 

[R=G]

If he's overrated, what the hell is Cripple H and Shawn Michaels? Two wortheless draws that got upceded by several performers in RECORD time? LOL.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

Ok lets look at 20+ year body of work.

Great mystique character, legend character.

Average mic work, average in ring work. He's had maybe 7-10 memorable matches and 2 of those were gimmick HIAC matches and even the one with foley is only remembered because of foleys bumps.

like I said, he is a legend no doubt. But he is nowhere in the list for top anything.

well let's see.

top entrance all time? check.
top finisher all time? check.
top gimmick all time? check.

we are talking about a guy that made an impact immediately upon arrival and who would CONTINUE to make an impact for as long he was active. constantly evolving with the times, constantly re-inventing himself. the key word there is constant. if there has been one CONSTANT the last 25 years, it is the undertaker. all the greats from all the eras, no matter who they were, they all had to get it in with the deadman if they wanted to continue to be percieved as a top guy.

in fact taker was so great they SPUN HIM OFF and created another HOFer in kane. plus look at how many gimmick matches taker brought to the forefront. casket matches, hell in a cell, buried alive, inferno matches... i mean dude changed the game.

who do I think is the all time goat? hogan. but would I entertain an argument for taker?

ABSOLUTELY!

 

[puppetmaster]

this dude did his best in ring work and mic work outside of the gimmick he's most famous for and the bulk of his best work was NOT at Wrestlemania. It shouldn't be held against him that he spent his early Mania days wrestling every freak, freak show and weirdo they could throw at him. Once they started letting him work with the Bret's, Shawn's etcs instead of King Kong Bundy's and Giant Gonzales's of the world you saw how good Mark Callaway really is. The Streak is a talking point but it ain't why he's great, he's great because he can really work, plus he squeezed TWO decades out of a gimmick that if anyone but him played most of us would make dead in the water (Pun intended) if it debuted today as it was originally presented in 1990. The IWC would meme the shyt out of it for real

Spoiler

unless OP is trolling and kicking cages, then by all means get your troll on, I ain't eeeen mad

 

[threattonature]

well let's see.

top entrance all time? check.
top finisher all time? check.
top gimmick all time? check.

we are talking about a guy that made an impact immediately upon arrival and who would CONTINUE to make an impact for as long he was active. constantly evolving with the times, constantly re-inventing himself. the key word there is constant. if there has been one CONSTANT the last 25 years, it is the undertaker. all the greats from all the eras, no matter who they were, they all had to get it in with the deadman if they wanted to continue to be percieved as a top guy.

in fact taker was so great they SPUN HIM OFF and created another HOFer in kane. plus look at how many gimmick matches taker brought to the forefront. casket matches, hell in a cell, buried alive, inferno matches... i mean dude changed the game.

who do I think is the all time goat? hogan. but would I entertain an argument for taker?

ABSOLUTELY!

To me everybody talks about how Undertaker made that gimmick work but he wasn't exactly killing shyt as Mean Mark Callous. At the beginning the crazy entrances, unique gimmick, complete no selling of all offense against, crazy finisher is what lead to him getting over so big. To me Undertaker will go down as an all-timer but I still think he's overrated to a large degree. He's been one of the top 3-5 most protected wrestlers booking wise since his WWF debut. He was always in some of the most unique storylines. He was someone who had to be in with a great worker to have a great match, he wasn't going to pull a great or good match if he was paired with an average or below worker.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

To me everybody talks about how Undertaker made that gimmick work but he wasn't exactly killing shyt as Mean Mark Callous. At the beginning the crazy entrances, unique gimmick, complete no selling of all offense against, crazy finisher is what lead to him getting over so big. To me Undertaker will go down as an all-timer but I still think he's overrated to a large degree. He's been one of the top 3-5 most protected wrestlers booking wise since his WWF debut. He was always in some of the most unique storylines. He was someone who had to be in with a great worker to have a great match, he wasn't going to pull a great or good match if he was paired with an average or below worker.

so let me you ask this, what is your opinion of hulk hogan then? about 85% of his matches were exactly the same wouldn't you agree?

and yes mark's portrayal of the undertaker character was a huge factor in it getting over. no wrestler in history has ever gotten over to that degree on gimmick alone. the performer/performance is everything. that guy BECAME the undertaker.

 

[Silkk]

To me everybody talks about how Undertaker made that gimmick work but he wasn't exactly killing shyt as Mean Mark Callous. At the beginning the crazy entrances, unique gimmick, complete no selling of all offense against, crazy finisher is what lead to him getting over so big. To me Undertaker will go down as an all-timer but I still think he's overrated to a large degree. He's been one of the top 3-5 most protected wrestlers booking wise since his WWF debut. He was always in some of the most unique storylines. He was someone who had to be in with a great worker to have a great match, he wasn't going to pull a great or good match if he was paired with an average or below worker.

Cena wasn't killing shyt as the prototype
Rock wasn't killing shyt as Rocky Maivia
Austin wasn't killing shyt as Stunning Steve
HHH wasn't killing shyt as Hunter Hearst Hemsley


Could do this all day....

 

[puppetmaster]

To me everybody talks about how Undertaker made that gimmick work but he wasn't exactly killing shyt as Mean Mark Callous. At the beginning the crazy entrances, unique gimmick, complete no selling of all offense against, crazy finisher is what lead to him getting over so big. To me Undertaker will go down as an all-timer but I still think he's overrated to a large degree. He's been one of the top 3-5 most protected wrestlers booking wise since his WWF debut. He was always in some of the most unique storylines. He was someone who had to be in with a great worker to have a great match, he wasn't going to pull a great or good match if he was paired with an average or below worker.

To be fair though a prime Bret nor Shawn were gonna pull anything great out of some of the bums and stiffs Taker got stuck working angles with in the early 90's. It'd be one thing if he was working with bigs who could work like Bam Bam Bigelow or Razor and having meh matches. But a past his athletic prime Kamala, an immobile Gonzales, etc. Undertaker is in a lot of ways lucky to have made it as long as he has because he spent the bulk of that time taking offense from cats who couldn't work or move.

 

[Pesci]

average worker? lol what, he was an amazing worker for someone who is 6'10

 

[K.Y.R.I.E]

1999-2003 Taker was the best. After that he got boring

 

[ATearInMyEye]

This will be upped when Breh " I say pseudo -ntellectual filled content but really doesn't get anywhere" Wyatt Sons him at WM 31.

at these Mean Mark Callous Stans getting their panties in a bunch

 

[ATearInMyEye]

If he's overrated, what the hell is Cripple H and Shawn Michaels? Two wortheless draws that got upceded by several performers in RECORD time? LOL.

Im not a kliq Stan by any means.

However, HBK carried the company when they were struggling in 96 and 7 year old kids across the "universe" knew Michaels was the real deal . Yeah he had some bytchassness tendencies and dopehead traits, but You can't deny his Charisma, and overall talent, coupled with his longevity.

Trips had his moments like IC Title at Summerslam 98 vs the Great One(which he was over-please don't dispute that) and RR 2000 vs Foley. Whether you like it not, La Nariz' overall body of work makes him a top 5 heel all time.Granted he was on the lower half of the top 5 during the AE

I would still take Mustard Mark over Trips, I'm just saying people peg Taker as a top 5 lock when Hogan,Macho,Flair,Rocky,Austin>>>

And a whole slew of guys like Angle,HBK,Eddie,Jericho,Benoit ,Booker etc. Are arguably better than him in all reality.

If you didn't notice, the second group of wrestlers sans Hickenbottom were prosperous in two different Feds,without having to be near a 7-feet tall.

Mr.Mccool not so much

 

[ATearInMyEye]

real talk , his streak is the biggest fluff achievement ever because i dont think i ever cared about an undertaker WM match like that until he was the last star left in the company.

HE IS OVERRATED, BUT I THINK HIS CAREER WOULD REALLY BENEFIT FROM GIVING ME MY WIN BACK, BROTHER!

OP isn't lying. We don't you brehs explain why he isn't? Because I can say that he was an absolute terrible worker involved in some of the worst matches/angles before Michaels put him over in the og HIAC.

for those saying this is BS, name 10 udnertaker matches that were good at wrestlemania. the one with Kane, michaels, etc were cool but dude was 6-0 before kane and none of those matches before were special. and im not a UT hater either, I remember being thrilled watching UT vs Yoko in that casket match at the royal rumble... but dudes opponents and build ups were ehhh until the mid 2000s really

I gotta agree with the OP, honestly out of his 22 mania matches, only 4-5 are memorable. I remember reading about him wanting to jump ship to wcw but bischoff said he was nothing without his gimmick.

Still a legend

Ok lets look at 20+ year body of work.

Great mystique character, legend character.

Average mic work, average in ring work. He's had maybe 7-10 memorable matches and 2 of those were gimmick HIAC matches and even the one with foley is only remembered because of foleys bumps.

like I said, he is a legend no doubt. But he is nowhere in the list for top anything.

To me everybody talks about how Undertaker made that gimmick work but he wasn't exactly killing shyt as Mean Mark Callous. At the beginning the crazy entrances, unique gimmick, complete no selling of all offense against, crazy finisher is what lead to him getting over so big. To me Undertaker will go down as an all-timer but I still think he's overrated to a large degree. He's been one of the top 3-5 most protected wrestlers booking wise since his WWF debut. He was always in some of the most unique storylines. He was someone who had to be in with a great worker to have a great match, he wasn't going to pull a great or good match if he was paired with an average or below worker.

To be fair though a prime Bret nor Shawn were gonna pull anything great out of some of the bums and stiffs Taker got stuck working angles with in the early 90's. It'd be one thing if he was working with bigs who could work like Bam Bam Bigelow or Razor and having meh matches. But a past his athletic prime Kamala, an immobile Gonzales, etc. Undertaker is in a lot of ways lucky to have made it as long as he has because he spent the bulk of that time taking offense from cats who couldn't work or move.

2nd best Big Man of All time but