Their Pay Has Stood Still. Now Oklahoma Teachers Could Be the Next to Walk.

[Jesus]

Homeschooling....

 

[Shogun]

@Shogun if we could accurately assess teachers, doesn’t the union make it impossible to link pay to merit? Meaning pay good teachers more than bad ones?

The thing is, good teaching is difficult to quantify. Any attempt to do so so far has been largely ineffective, which is where I agree with the union in putting safe gaurds in place from ensuring those attempts aren't the end all be all.

 

[Shogun]

Sure, my question is could you pay good teachers(individually) more? Or does the union prevent that?


Edit: and I think the perception that they(teachers) are bad hurts the push for higher teacher pay... buts that’s just my opinion.

Yes, it does prevent that. But, to the same point, good teaching is real hard to measure. You can't just look at the bottom line.

 

[Shogun]

Homeschooling....

 

[wickedsm]

The wider issue of better teacher compensation is a very valid one
But the issue in Oklahoma is really extreme outside of that.
Schools can only afford to be open 4 days a week, teachers working another job at Walmart and selling plasma just to be able to afford to live.

Richest country on the planet indeed

 

[the cac mamba]

The thing is, good teaching is difficult to quantify. Any attempt to do so so far has been largely ineffective, which is where I agree with the union in putting safe gaurds in place from ensuring those attempts aren't the end all be all.

yeah you cant fault a teacher for getting dealt a bad hand of stupid ass kids

 

[BoBurnz]

I mean it should be fairly common sense that the badly needed job of taking care of other peoples children and instilling in them knowledge for 7-8 hours a day should pay enough where none of them struggle financially but we don't live in a world that's not fukking stupid most of the time so I get it.

Hope the state buckles and these folks can get at the bare minimum a livable wage.

 

[Shogun]

yeah you cant fault a teacher for getting dealt a bad hand of stupid ass kids

The fukkery would be endless.

 

[Shogun]

I mean it should be fairly common sense that the badly needed job of taking care of other peoples children and instilling in them knowledge for 7-8 hours a day should pay enough where none of them struggle financially but we don't live in a world that's not fukking stupid most of the time so I get it.

Hope the state buckles and these folks can get at the bare minimum a livable wage.

If Republicans weren't so tunnel-visioned they would give education the same exception to the "taxes are evil" rule that they do to military spending.

 

[Wild self]

The wider issue of better teacher compensation is a very valid one
But the issue in Oklahoma is really extreme outside of that.
Schools can only afford to be open 4 days a week, teachers working another job at Walmart and selling plasma just to be able to afford to live.

Richest country on the planet indeed

But the Military can afford a trillion dollar war carrier

These Re Thugs are something else.

 

[CrimsonTider]

They had similar pay in NC, but after years of fighting I believe they finally received a pay raise. The story here was similar to there with teachers moving to different states for better pay. Something I found to be interesting is that private schools are actually paying less than public schools on average.

Teacher Salaries in America

Public sector teaching has always paid more than private schooling

its definitely bad, but you have to take into account that their employer (the state, us) is on the hook for 80 percent of their salary from about age 55 til the day they die, for doing absolutely nothing in those 20 years

ive always said that we need to pay teachers more up front and renegotiate this pension bullshyt that's bankrupting states. in the real world, they would call that a ponzi scheme

It’s not Pensions that’s bankrupting states.

 

[Serious]

This is a difficult one for me. On one hand, some of you know that I'm a teacher, an in that sense, obviously I think I deserve higher pay for the work that I do. But, on the other hand, and sadly, I don't believe that the majority of the people I work with deserve higher pay. Frankly, I think a lot of them get paid too much for the half assed effort they put forth.

From a long term perspective, I think higher pay would result in higher expectations and eventually better teachers. So, in that sense, I also think higher pay would reflect a society that actually values education, and more qualified people will enter the profession. Where I get hung up, though, is the higher expectations, and the degree to which the union protects sub par teachers.

If America were @Serious about education, then we'd just mimic the other successful models that other developed countries have instilled. For example, in other countries like the Netherlands, educators typically hold a master degree if not a Ph.D. Teachers in other countries are paid a lot more fairly. The way lessons are taught are more content oriented and less about memorization. Students in various other developed nations typically study less and out perform American students. And lastly there's a real sense of honor and pride associated with being a teacher. Schools really try to attract the best and brightest candidates, now teaching is like a fall back plan for many.

Sorry if this sounds a like a bunch of generalization.

I also noted that the state you work in, is also one of the highest paid in the nation, on average breh.

 

[Shogun]

If America were @Serious about education, then we'd just mimic the other successful models that other developed countries have instilled. For example, in other countries like the Netherlands, educators typically hold a master degree if not a Ph.D. Teachers in other countries are paid a lot more fairly. The way lessons are taught are more content oriented and less about memorization. Students in various other developed nations typically study less and out perform American students. And lastly there's a real sense of honor and pride associated with being a teacher. Schools really try to attract the best and brightest candidates, now teaching is like a fall back plan for many.

Sorry if this sounds a like a bunch of generalization.

I also noted that the state you work in, is also one of the highest paid in the nation, on average breh.

Yeah it is, but it's also one of the most expensive to live in. It all evens out
With my salary I couldnt afford to live in NYC, but I could live large in Nowheresville Mississippi.

 

[Geek Nasty]

Union problems huh? Remind me who that stated voted for in 2016 again?

Broke cacs finally getting that wakeup call. Republicans arent for YOU, Buford, they're for Winston Thornsby IV living uptown.

 

[DEAD7]

So @Shogun what is the incentive for teachers to do their job well?

The public’s ungrateful, pay has been divorced from merit, and getting fired for being lazy/shytty is near impossible...