Their Pay Has Stood Still. Now Oklahoma Teachers Could Be the Next to Walk.

[Shogun]

So @Shogun what is the incentive for teachers to do their job well?

The public’s ungrateful, pay has been divorced from merit, and getting fired for being lazy/shytty is near impossible...

Professionalism and a belief in the value of kids and what you're doing.

In my experience, it's rare.

 

[DEAD7]

Professionalism and a belief in the value of kids and what you're doing.

In my experience, it's rare.

Last question(s)...

If you could change education in this country(by decree), what would those changes look like? Where would you start? And which hurdle(s) would you expect to be the most problematic?

 

[Shogun]

Last question(s)...

If you could change education in this country(by decree), what would those changes look like? Where would you start? And which hurdle(s) would you expect to be the most problematic?

I think if you need a decree then you've lost already. Education will only improve when society inherently values education....not the end result of education being money.

We don't celebrate intellectuals or academics, we celebrate entertainers.

We teach kids that a meaningful life is one where you get rich by any means necessary.

 

[DEAD7]

I think if you need a decree then you've lost already. Education will only improve when society inherently values education....not the end result of education being money.

We don't celebrate intellectuals or academics, we celebrate entertainers.

We teach kids that a meaningful life is one where you get rich by any means necessary.

Your solution would be? Or I guess the question really is how would you(if you were in position to) go about getting the populace to value education?

 

[Shogun]

Your solution would be? Or I guess the question really is how would you(if you were in position to) go about getting the populace to value education?

I wish I knew.

 

[shonuff]

Your solution would be? Or I guess the question really is how would you(if you were in position to) go about getting the populace to value education?

im gonna say what noone is willing to say

if you want better paid teachers - you want better cops - you want better X in govt services - then you cant have low taxes

so long as people in this country are on this " i want lower taxes " kick - so long as we keep funding schools and infrastructure with the bare minimum that we can get away with - we will continue to get shytty schools shytty teachers and shyttier students coming out to make worse people ..and shyttier public service over all...

its really a terrible feedback loop that will take probably a decade to even stop let alone reverse the effects of

 

[mson]

im gonna say what noone is willing to say

if you want better paid teachers - you want better cops - you want better X in govt services - then you cant have low taxes

so long as people in this country are on this " i want lower taxes " kick - so long as we keep funding schools and infrastructure with the bare minimum that we can get away with - we will continue to get shytty schools shytty teachers and shyttier students coming out to make worse people ..and shyttier public service over all...

its really a terrible feedback loop that will take probably a decade to even stop let alone reverse the effects of

What about reallocating some military spending?

 

[shonuff]

What about reallocating some military spending?

It could but education and things like that are from State budgets not the Fed - so cutting defense spending won't really do anything to cut States costs -

 

[ejthompson23]

The wider issue of better teacher compensation is a very valid one
But the issue in Oklahoma is really extreme outside of that.
Schools can only afford to be open 4 days a week, teachers working another job at Walmart and selling plasma just to be able to afford to live.

Richest country on the planet indeed

Just returning the neg you gave me 2 weeks ago

 

[wickedsm]

Just returning the neg you gave me 2 weeks ago

Cool.
I don't remember you at all from 2 weeks ago or any other time.
Stay pressed breh.

 

[wickedsm]

helpful bump
last i heard they raised some taxes to give OK some money for teachers, i think its still not enough.

Now these dumb fukks in Kentucky wanted somebody to hold their beer and do sneaky shyt in the middle of the night
so now its on there too

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

This is a difficult one for me. On one hand, some of you know that I'm a teacher, an in that sense, obviously I think I deserve higher pay for the work that I do. But, on the other hand, and sadly, I don't believe that the majority of the people I work with deserve higher pay. Frankly, I think a lot of them get paid too much for the half assed effort they put forth.

From a long term perspective, I think higher pay would result in higher expectations and eventually better teachers. So, in that sense, I also think higher pay would reflect a society that actually values education, and more qualified people will enter the profession. Where I get hung up, though, is the higher expectations, and the degree to which the union protects sub par teachers.

How do you deal with being a teacher? Not even talking about the actual work but between lesson planning, unhelpful parents, and roaming bullshyt from the government whenever they decide to cut funds it just seems like such a high stress job. You in it for the kids? (No intended)

 

[Hahahaha]

The problem is the base pay for teachers is too low.

You could always attempt increase incentive pay for teachers, but that is still an issue of funding and you'd also increase turnover in what may already be a diminished pool.

Regardless, teacher pay isn't low because teachers are bad

I'm sure good teachers would be lining up to teach in non-affluent communities if we introduced this.

 

[Shogun]

How do you deal with being a teacher? Not even talking about the actual work but between lesson planning, unhelpful parents, and roaming bullshyt from the government whenever they decide to cut funds it just seems like such a high stress job. You in it for the kids? (No intended)

Good question. I think, mostly, I really believe it's important work. I guess it's idealistic but I don't think you can teach well any other way. Most teachers I know seem to be in it for the easy hours and vacation, but if you're actually going to do it properly you have to put far more time in than what's required by contract.

Selfishly, I really enjoy studying history and I get to spend my days talking about it.

As for the bullshyt, I have to imagine any career comes with a healthy serving of it. In my experience kids and parents are only difficult if they don't see that you're on their side (and a lot of teachers aren't). But, again, it takes an awful lot of time and energy to actually be on their side - far more than contractual hours allow.

It all seems worth it when kids/patents thank you, or reach out years after they've graduated. The shytty teachers rarely get to experience that... mostly because they don't earn it, but it becomes a self defeating loop where shytty experiences with kids/patents leads to a negative attitude, which leads to even less effort put in, and further shytty experiences.

 

[afterlife2009]

this is great stuff. glad to see more people organizing and pushing for better pay.

ofc the GOP is railroading