There’s currently 6 players averaging over 30 ppg. What does it even mean at this point?

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Talking about Michael Jordan as if he was a typical 80s/90s player. :dead:







You mean by bringing the 3pt line in closer to make it easier to shoot?

You mean by instituting an illegal defense rule so that defenders couldn't hedge towards scorers or double off-ball?

You mean by allowing offensive players to take as long as they want to back a player down into the basket?

You mean by sending the average team to the line 30 times a game?


Oh, wait, those were all pro-offense rules that were allowed in the 1980s or 1990s but which don't exist today.


Sorry, but the average player today is more athletic, a better ball-handler, more well-rounded, and a better shooter than the average player in the 1980s or 1990s. You watch the game night in and night out and the shot-making ability across a roster is FAR better. Someone like Malik Monk is out there making shots that few starting guards in the 1980s would even attempt, and he's not even starting for his team.
1st off, Jordan wasn't the only athletic dude in the '90s.

Ever heard of Dominique, Drexler, Shawn Kemp, Shaquille O'Neal, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson, and a ton of other dudes who played in the '90s.

Also, yes, the NBA changed rules to make it easier to score in the '90s, who said they didn't?

They've continued to do so to the point that they've completely taken defense out of the game.

They've gone too far.

They needed to do stuff to stop that Detroit Pistons/New York Knicks style of basketball that made it hard to score in the '90s, but we're YEARS past that now.

Plus, they've legislated the physicality out of the game, allow moving screens, allow things like euro steps and palming and other things that didn't in the past.

If you watched the video I posted, you'd see that changing the rules to make it easier to score has been going on a long time. It's just gone too far now.

 

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There’s no more Keith Bogans types in the league now who’s sole purpose is to defend

Keith Bogans has been replaced by nikkas like George Niang who can’t defend at all but can shoot 3s

THATS A LIE.. CATS LIKE HERBERT JONES N MATISSE THYBULLE STILL OUT THERE

THE RULE CHANGES, SIMPLICITY IN PLAYERS, AND OVERALL SHIITY DEFENSES IS TO BLAME
 

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Also, yes, the NBA changed rules to make it easier to score in the '90s, who said they didn't?

They've continued to do so to the point that they've completely taken defense out of the game.

Other than the shortened 3pt line, those rules weren't changed in the 1990s. They were there for decades.

The removal of illegal defense and legalizations of zones, the widening of the key, the addition of the 5 second rule, the reduction of the 10 second backcourt to 8 seconds, and the reduced calling of fouls have all made it easier to play defense, not harder.

Jordan himself said he'd never have been able to have the kind of career he enjoyed if he had faced zones. When he was in college he regularly got hemmed up in the ACC and NCAA tourneys when zone defenses cracked down on him. Then he came into the NBA and immediately averaged 28ppg his rookie year because he was only facing man defense.

The subject was defense in the NBA, and Michael Jordan was speaking, although more about offense, especially his. We know few defenses could do anything about that.
But there was one that might be bothersome, the zone defense. It was the topic du jour at last month's All-Star Game, and Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did.






Look at the shyt that MJ could set up on offense back when zones were disallowed:

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Jeff Ruland, who was a 6'10" truck driver with no athleticism or outside game whatsoever and wouldn't be in the league today, was a dominant 20+ppg scorer for multiple years before he got hurt. He directly attributed his dominance to the lack of zones.

How did he explain the scouting reports, which said he was too slow and questioned his ability to play defense and whether he could make it in the pros?

''This is pro basketball,'' he replied, smiling. ''There are no zone defenses with four guys hanging all over me. I wonder if the pro scouts realized that in the N.B.A. they play man-to-man.''

JEFF RULAND: SURPRISING ROOKIE


This is how hard it was to score back in the day:



That's a fukking PLAYOFF game against the best team in the world, Boston has two All-Defensive Team forwards in their frontcourt, and Jeff Ruland is still getting easy layups just by posting up under the basket because no one is allowed to shade him or block the passing lanes until he gets the ball.



You want me to believe an era where Elgin Baylor was putting up nearly 40/game with no threes, or an era where Moses Malone could score 30+ with no real offensive skill set, or an era where Kiki Vandeweghe and Kelly Tripucka were averaging 27-30 points a game despite their significant limitations, or an era where Michael Adams and Tom Chambers were averaging 25+ ppg, were somehow significantly harder eras than today.
 
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More fake ducktales from MJ stans to prop up his trash era.

The illegal defense rule meant that players weren’t allowed to leave their man even if they wanted. If your man stood at the 3-pt line than you had to be there too, even if he couldn’t shoot.

MJ had more space than any player today. Players nowadays are just more athletic.



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It's the 3 point shot. You now have a generation that was born and grew up with the 3 point shot and by the time they are pro, it's a natural part of their game. I think it changes a lot especially how a team defends. You need a very young and mobile team to defend in the paint to contest all sorts of shots. Scoring becomes easier when you get the 3 point shot right. I'm gonna be honest though it's a bit weird seeing regular 138-127 scorelines than the usual 92-89 etc.
 

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It's the 3 point shot. You now have a generation that was born and grew up with the 3 point shot and by the time they are pro, it's a natural part of their game. I think it changes a lot especially how a team defends. You need a very young and mobile team to defend in the paint to contest all sorts of shots. Scoring becomes easier when you get the 3 point shot right. I'm gonna be honest though it's a bit weird seeing regular 138-127 scorelines than the usual 92-89 etc.


The 3-point shot, much more intelligent use of spacing on offense, and positionally interchangeable players with more varied skill sets.

Back in the day most teams played a PF whose role was defense and rebounding, half the contenders had a stiff center whose primary skill set was being big in the middle, the degree to which your 2/3 could put the ball on the floor or pass at a high level varied from team to team, and "game management" point guards weren't necessarily slashers or scorers, and many didn't have a viable 3pt shot.

Nowadays there are numerous guys at the 4/5 who can handle the ball well and shoot out to 3pt range, many players at the 2/3 have damn near PG level passing and dribbling skills, and if your point guard isn't a triple threat with the ball then you're at a disadvantage immediately. A good offensive team has more ways to break through a good defense than at any other point in history.
 

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I’m a basketball junkie so I watch a lot of games, the regular season product just isn’t good for the most part. The 3rd and 4th quarters are usually decent to watch, but getting to that point is hard because it’s the same thing over and over.

The first half of a game is literally teams firing up 3s 10-12 seconds into the shot clock or a pick and roll.

Pick and roll, big man switches on to the guard, guard blows by the big, help comes to the paint, guard passes to the shooter wide open in the corner for a 3.

Next possession, same thing but the defense will play it better. Corner 3 man will make the extra pass this time for a wide open wing 3.

After a few possessions like this, star player drives to the basket and gets fouled.

Rinse and repeat.

Out of everyone averaging 30, Luka is the most decent to watch because his game mixes it up more than the rest
 

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THATS A LIE.. CATS LIKE HERBERT JONES N MATISSE THYBULLE STILL OUT THERE

THE RULE CHANGES, SIMPLICITY IN PLAYERS, AND OVERALL SHIITY DEFENSES IS TO BLAME
There used to be dudes like Thybulle and Herb Jones on every team

They were plentiful

Not anymore
 
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I’m a basketball junkie so I watch a lot of games, the regular season product just isn’t good for the most part. The 3rd and 4th quarters are usually decent to watch, but getting to that point is hard because it’s the same thing over and over.

The first half of a game is literally teams firing up 3s 10-12 seconds into the shot clock or a pick and roll.

Pick and roll, big man switches on to the guard, guard blows by the big, help comes to the paint, guard passes to the shooter wide open in the corner for a 3.

Next possession, same thing but the defense will play it better. Corner 3 man will make the extra pass this time for a wide open wing 3.

After a few possessions like this, star player drives to the basket and gets fouled.

Rinse and repeat.

Out of everyone averaging 30, Luka is the most decent to watch because his game mixes it up more than the rest


Sounds like the 80s...
 

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Jeff Ruland, who was a 6'10" truck driver with no athleticism or outside game whatsoever and wouldn't be in the league today, was a dominant 20+ppg scorer for multiple years before he got hurt. He directly attributed his dominance to the lack of zones.
Why do you keep telling this lie?

Jeff Ruland was never DOMINANT.

Moses Malone was dominant
Kareem Abdul Jabbar was dominant
Karl Malone was dominant
Hakeem Olajuwon was dominant.

Jeff Ruland made 2 All-Star teams and was a decent player. his body was perfect for a much more physical sport, where the refs let shyt go and you could play a "Wreck It Ralph" style ball. Was it pretty? No. Was it effective for a bit? Yeah.

Why you think that because he's White & unathletic that means he couldn't play as if Larry Bird & Nikola Jokic are fukking Giannis Antetekumpo in athleticism.

As if this guy aint won multiple MVPs

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There's always been unathletic ass White dudes who could play.
 
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