These lil nikkas have no respect for the history of the genre

[Art Barr]

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Das Efx and shyt like that, yeah. But let's not act like that was all of them. I love 80s and 90/ hip hop but I could also see why the younger gen doesn't. A lot of it isn't as charismatic MUSICALLY. To them they probably think it's just a basic beat and boring rapping.

What you think is going on now? Rappers are prospering solely off their charisma, cadences and flow

The early nineties till beatnuts dissed twista and das efx in 93 was all styles war era.
Nas ushered in the technical proficient era of emcee'n.
New rappers are a bite of the anniversary of the style swar era being twenty years old and began in music like around 201o or so as an actual industry nostalgia based thing.
Starting five years earlier with the impact of hoodies and other nostalgia pieces from the era taking a precedent.


Art Barr

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

@FruitOfTheVale

You weren't talking to me, but I do rap:


(boom bap)



(trap type beat)

2nd beat was easier to flow on because there were a gang of points I could bounce off in my rhymes, the hi hat and snare rolls allow for more inside bars to hit...you can be hella sloppy on a trap beat and it will still kinda sound good as long as the rhyming word hits the 2nd snare. It's hard to explain. If you listen, I was a lot more comfortable on the trap beat, and that ain't my style.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

nikkaz don't rap well over any break, in any age bracket in general.
So, they all get exposed skillwise in general, as far as I am concerned.


Art Barr

This, if the rapper is trash then he's trash over any beat.

The idea that a certain style of beats inherently requires more skill on the rapper's part though is dumb. Like ODOT was saying, a lot of these rappers are getting away with being trash in every respect (vocally, lyrically, etc.) because their engineers are A1. That being said, Vert clearly wasn't really "rapping" to the extent that he's actually capable of on Hot 97... Why, idk.

 

[Art Barr]

Oh and Gg allin is trash. Don't care about his music But he was never a rock star. More like wanna be rock start that was a piece of shyt punk rock dude who raped females and treated people like trash. And did outrageous shyt for attention.

fukk dude all together.


Art Barr

 

[born2bewired]

this dude can't rap on "old" beats. he wouldn't know where to begin. which is more of an insult to his ability to spit bars (not make songs) than it is to any boom bap beat

 

[GPBear]

haven't seen op, guessing this thread's about lil vert saying the future of beats is 808s to Ebro.

Watched that last night, thought it was an old video, why's this getting brought up

edit: yup, not an old video tho. That's just how kids wanna rap mang

 

[GPBear]

Oh and Gg allin is trash. Don't care about his music But he was never a rock star. More like wanna be rock start that was a piece of shyt punk rock dude who raped females and treated people like trash. And did outrageous shyt for attention.

fukk dude all together.


Art Barr

man this shyt's amazing, foh

 

[born2bewired]

gg allin is wack. i don't care how live you are.. if the music sucks, i'm not trying to hear it

 

[y que]

this noob generation rap is pathetic

can't carry the torch

its too heavy for them

 

[Taadow]

This is a great introspective post that most posters will look over.

The older gen shyts on the new gen constantly, so why the hell would they have respect for the older?

...Because they are your forefathers!!

They paved this road that you get to drive a Lambo on!
You want respect in the rap game? THEN RAP, MUTHAFUCCAS!!

HOW IN THE FUCC are these li'l niccas gettin' to be rappers, and they don't wanna rap??

Muthafuccas used to be ready to rap at all times! They was waiting on a chance to serve niccas...
muthafuccas don't even be in the same room and heard the beat...

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Even within Vert's subset of trap though a lot of them are actually creating the melodies. Also a lot of the beats they rap over have very little melody and place the melody or lack thereof on the vocalist. For example:



I'm not disagreeing with your point, I disagree with the idea that trap beats are somehow "easier" to conceptualize a rap song over.

Thug uses real rhyme patterns, though...like the "panamera w/ the tinted roof, all my nikkas dogs goin roof...bytch is only average...top notch shorty-you recordin-in an attic..." I saw the technicality in that. He has glimpses. I've NEVER heard vert do anything of the sort, sneaking in technical flows. Maybe Thugger did it by accident.

 

[Art Barr]

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Even within Vert's subset of trap though a lot of them are actually creating the melodies. Also a lot of the beats they rap over have very little melody and place the melody or lack thereof on the vocalist. For example:



I'm not disagreeing with your point, I disagree with the idea that trap beats are somehow "easier" to conceptualize a rap song over.

The open space in bpm's are why they have so may socalled flows.
Or really performance which comes from the fact.
these nikkaz use writing pools and the none of them were ever onkey.
when the bpm's were in the sweet spot of emcee'n.
Which is why they have a funny cartoon delivery.
Plus they have slower bpm's because they are not really rapping they are actually singing and just have the r kelly style of lemme fit in with these emcees and not feel out of place.
None of these new guys are really emcees like that.
They are jingle writer pool marketing and communication majors or just a flat out vocal impressionist.
They are not emcees,...they can impersonate the energy people associate with being able to socalled rip it like ripping it Is just one moment or feeling they heard.
When really it is an impression of someone who was a jingle writer or voice over artist who never was an emcee.
The new artist have it misconstrued and don't wanna do the work in any regard.
As they will take being jerked just because they know they are actually con artist based toys who should not be where they are

They know they are milli vanilli meets a wack emcee with it and they just want more troll based wack rappers to be cool with so they never get exposed.
The other problem is you got fake accapella rappers acting like battle rappers and can not rap on beat and being given limiting draw and props for being a conman as a battle rapper.
When you supposed to be able to battle to get rid of wack rappers.

So, all sides of the coins are sellouts and wack rappers.


Art Barr

nikka wanna be the fake me,....

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

@FruitOfTheVale

You weren't talking to me, but I do rap:


(boom bap)



(trap type beat)

2nd beat was easier to flow on because there were a gang of points I could bounce off in my rhymes, the hi hat and snare rolls allow for more inside bars to hit...you can be hella sloppy on a trap beat and it will still kinda sound good as long as the rhyming word hits the 2nd snare. It's hard to explain. If you listen, I was a lot more comfortable on the trap beat, and that ain't my style.

I hear what you're saying but I also feel like it depends on how willing you (generally speaking, not you specifically) are as a rapper to really write FOR the beat, not just to it. A lot of dudes try to adapt lyrics they're already written to a "hot beat" and it's obvious they didn't write for that beat.

As far as trap beats being more "lenient", I disagree... sloppiness comes across on any beat whether it's trap or boom bap.

 

[Art Barr]

man this shyt's amazing, foh

Dawg,....
This shyt might as well be background parody music during the regular show, breh.


Art Barr

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Some of the philly acapella battle brehs are good at music...I can't say the same for NYC.
The St Louis and Chicago ones can also "rap-rap" over a track...once again: can't say the same for NYC.