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Man... I was okay with it a week ago, but now that he's actually let go, I'm fukking sad right now breh. Love this guy so much, he deserve so much better.

Bulls franchise is such a joke. It all stems from Jerry Reinsdorf. This is twice where the front office interfered with a good thing.

I can't do this anymore. I'll continue to support the bulls, but if an incident like this arise once more ; I'm done.

I just hope thibs don't go to the Knicks. I'll be hella pissed if that happen.
 
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Why Bulls management could never accept Tom Thibodeau's success

For all the issues that inspired Chicago Bulls management to carry out such a ferocious campaign to discredit Tom Thibodeau – minutes restrictions and personnel disagreements and an inability to simply interact – perhaps the most powerful had been jealousy.

Over and over, those listening to John Paxson and Gar Forman would tell you that Bulls management could never make peace with the praise heaped upon Thibodeau for 60-victory seasons and deep playoff runs. For them, it was too much about the best defense in the NBA, too much about his development of journeymen into rotation contributors, good players into All-Stars, great players into an MVP.

To them, Thibodeau represented a Chicago folk hero who needed to be leveled. Tell them that he was a great coach, and league officials say you'd often hear back from Bulls management that simply, "He's good."

If Thibodeau had only the political savvy to publicly praise his bosses, maybe everyone could've been spared the years of needless acrimony and drama. As Thibodeau joined the Chicago Bulls five years ago, a coaching friend told him: "Remember to kiss some babies," a suggestion that he needed to learn to be more of a politician.

Thibodeau always believed that it was enough to be a committed coach, enough to win, but the Bulls climate commanded survival instincts unfamiliar to him.

Finally, team president Michael Reinsdorf and Forman brought Thibodeau into a meeting on Thursday morning and fired him. Finally, the Bulls have the clear path to hire Iowa State coach Fred Hoiberg. Forman has been obsessive in his desire to hire Hoiberg, and it will be only a matter of days until the Bulls' make-believe search ends and this back-door process is over.

This time, no one will doubt management hired its man. This time, the coach won't be an object for attack and humiliation. When Paxson didn't like the way Vinny Del Negro managed Joakim Noah's minutes, he charged into the coach's office and laid hands on him.

This time, management had to be far more calculating in crushing the coach's credibility and contributions, both inside and outside the facility. They appeared to be part of a public campaign to dehumanize Thibodeau, picking apart his tactical acumen and portraying him as an uncaring ogre. Players had a sympathetic ear with management and medical staff.

Thibodeau played a part in creating the dysfunction. In his next job, he needs to bring with him some lessons learned, needs to understand better that there can be compromises without destroying your values system.

In the end, management won over owner Jerry Reinsdorf to pay out the $9 million owed on Thibodeau's contract. Reinsdorf has lorded over decades of management-coaching dysfunction – and yet Thursday he was issuing a statement on the firing of Thibodeau as a way to stay true to the organization's "culture." That's been a screwed-up culture for a long, long time.

Between Michael Jordan and Derrick Rose, the Bulls were a mess. When Thibodeau arrived, so did the winning – and then, so did the loathing between management and his staff.

On the way into the free-agent meeting with Pau Gasol in July, one witness accompanying Bulls management and Thibodeau marveled at how they could completely ignore each other in the lobby, the elevator up to the meeting, and then show something of a united front in the presentation to the player. Eventually, everyone could no longer fake it.

Through it all, those close to Thibodeau still believed he wanted to stay as Bulls coach. He loves the city, the talent on his roster, the partnership that he shared with Rose. As word started to reach Thibodeau's inner circle that the Bulls had an understanding with Hoiberg that he would accept the job, sources say, the organization felt no need to wait until June to fire Thibodeau.

Perhaps this partnership was forever doomed. Thibodeau was Jerry Reinsdorf's choice to coach the Bulls, choosing him over Paxson's (Doug Collins) and Forman's (Lawrence Frank and Mike Brown). This was Reinsdorf's way. He hired Del Negro, too. Like Del Negro, management spent more time undermining Thibodeau than they did supporting him.

Management blamed Thibodeau for overtaxing players with practice and game minutes. They fired one of the NBA's best assistant coaches, Ron Adams, because they didn't like his disposition. Chicago wouldn't let Thibodeau hire the strength and conditioning coach that he had come to trust in Houston. When the Bulls passed, the San Antonio Spurs snatched Anthony Falsone. In Chicago, it was always something, always a drama. Mostly, it was tired and counterproductive and it ended until the next one starts for these Bulls.

One of Reinsdorf's great regrets has always been the firing of White Sox manager Tony La Russa nearly 30 years ago. After leaving the Sox, La Russa became a three-time World Series champion and Hall of Famer. Reinsdorf stayed friends with La Russa, and Thibodeau loved to join them at dinners or White Sox games. Some common friends in the owner's, baseball manager's and coach's circle had wondered on Thursday: Would Thibodeau move on to those kinds of La Russa successes, and make Reinsdorf regret this firing too?

Those close to Thibodeau say that Reinsdorf's statement stung the coach on Thursday, that he had treasured his relationship with the owner. Thibodeau has always admired Reinsdorf's accomplishments – a self-made tyc00n, a successful sports and media mogul – and always felt that Reinsdorf had been an ally for him. Reinsdorf wasn't around much, though, and talked far more with management than the coach. Thibodeau lost Reinsdorf in the past year, and ultimately lost the job.

Before the end of Thursday night, Thibodeau had sounded enthusiastic to close associates. He was thinking about the next job, about the possibilities out there. Throughout the day, Thibodeau was getting texts and calls from old players – with the Knicks and Rockets and Celtics and, yes, Bulls – and they say that it moved him.

In the hours after his firing, Tom Thibodeau hadn't sounded angry to his friends – only nostalgic. Five years is a good run in the NBA; it's just a matter of time until someone else comes calling for him. He's always been partial to big markets and big jobs, but he's sworn to people that he won't be hovering over employed coaches the way that had been done to him with the Bulls.

In the end, Tom Thibodeau left Chicago the way that he arrived: a far better basketball coach than a politician, a Chicago basketball folk hero who had grown too big, too popular, for the good of his own survival.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-bu...accept-tom-thibodeau-s-success-053816326.html
 

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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/jon...hown-more-respect-with-statement-on-thibodeau
CHICAGO -- I’m not sure if Chicago Bulls chairman Jerry Reinsdorf wrote or dictated his 230-word fire emoji of a statement explaining the Tom Thibodeau firing. But a simple “We wish him well but are going in a different direction” would have sufficed.

In any event, the words attributed to Reinsdorf served to carpet bomb Thibodeau on his way out as Bulls coach. Thibodeau’s fractious relationship with bosses John Paxson and Gar Forman was well-known in Chicago and around the league, but this was excessive.

Here is Reinsdorf’s full statement:

“The Chicago Bulls have a history of achieving great success on and off the court. These accomplishments have been possible because of an organizational culture where input from all parts of the organization has been welcomed and valued, there has been a willingness to participate in a free flow of information, and there have been clear and consistent goals. While the head of each department of the organization must be free to make final decisions regarding his department, there must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone's ideas and opinions. These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private. Teams that consistently perform at the highest levels are able to come together and be unified across the organization -- staff, players, coaches, management and ownership. When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there has been a departure from this culture. To ensure that the Chicago Bulls can continue to grow and succeed, we have decided that a change in the head coaching position is required. Days like today are difficult, but necessary for us to achieve our goals and fulfill our commitments to our fans. I appreciate the contributions that Tom Thibodeau made to the Bulls organization. I have always respected his love of the game and wish him well in the future.”

Tom Thibodeau was fired by the Bulls after five seasons as head coach. Dennis Wierzbicki/USA TODAY Sports
The Bulls then noted that Thibodeau was an assistant coach for 21 years, as well as an advance scout for a year, before the team hired him.

Here is how his five-year tenure was described: “Thibodeau’s teams compiled an overall record of 255-139 (.647). The Bulls advanced to the playoffs five times during Thibodeau’s tenure, where he posted a postseason record of 23-28 (.451).”

Or as Forman put it in the release: "When Tom was hired in 2010, he was right for our team and system at that time, and over the last five years we have had some success with Tom as our head coach.”

Some success!

What was left unsaid is that Thibodeau’s .647 winning percentage ranks eighth all-time among coaches who have worked at least 100 games. Or that his best player, Derrick Rose, only played in 181 of those 394 games.

It wasn't noted that Rose became the youngest MVP in league history under Thibodeau. Or that Joakim Noah became an All-Star and Defensive Player of the Year and an MVP candidate. Or that Luol Deng became an All-Star. Or that Jimmy Butler became a potential max player and All-Star. You get the picture.

Don't get me wrong, this divorce needed to happen for both parties. The relationship between Thibodeau and the front office was too toxic to continue. Thibodeau, in turn, needs to be in a situation where he feels safe and trusted. He’s a difficult, intelligent person and he’s very good at his job, but he has blame in this mess too.

But for all his faults -- he wasn’t an easy person to work for or with -- Thibodeau was a culture changer.

If you want to pin playoff losses on him, go for it. But in his one season with a fully healthy Rose, the Bulls went to the conference finals, where they lost to LeBron Freaking James. In this muddled rollercoaster of a season, the Bulls were dispatched by the best player in the world again.

The three playoff appearances without Rose: How do you judge Thibodeau for those? Beating the Nets in the first round in 2012 was actually pretty amazing.

Hey, at least Thibodeau was quoted about in this release, sharp as the remarks were. When the Bulls fired Vinny Del Negro in 2010, he got a 65-word press release with no comments.

Then again, Thibodeau is one of the winningest regular-season coaches in NBA history. Maybe he deserved a little better.



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Pelicans need stay away from him :why:

:mjlol:Mr. Run his players to the ground got the X

God save Anthony Davis career don't let this fool coach him

An excerpt that sums up what Thibs is about



Thibs was and is really with the shyts....

Wherever he lands, that team will be a better one instantly for having him. I wanted it to work with him coaching the Bulls, but as this season went on, especially in the playoffs, it was obvious that it was time for a change...
I will not front like Thibs is not a Top 5 coach, but, if u coaching Anthony Davis; u can't run him to the ground and will need to apply unconventional means to get the best out of him. He's still injury prone and young. Rhibs can't be a curmudgeon on the offense and playing the Brahma-Brow 45 mins a game.
 

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I will not front like Thibs is not a Top 5 coach, but, if u coaching Anthony Davis; u can't run him to the ground and will need to apply unconventional means to get the best out of him. He's still injury prone and young. Rhibs can't be a curmudgeon on the offense and playing the Brahma-Brow 45 mins a game.
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He can't help himself when it comes to 2-way players breh. Look at how he worked Deng and Butler. Thibs will play Davis no less than 47 minutes per game. 1 minute rest at the end of the 2 quarter, so he has enough to make through the 2nd half.
 

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to be honest, I'm shocked that jerry was even aware enough to write that response regarding thibs firing. I thought he did'nt pay any attention to the bulls.

I'm here in Chicago today. It seems to me that sports radio here pretty much believe that Thibs deserved to be fired because he was too controlling and didn't know how to adjust to things not going his way. Is that true Chicago fans?

thibs had 5 years, and it was time for a change. he simply COULD NOT teach offense. and you can't win games strictly off defense. lovie failed at that with the bears. but the other general consensus is that garpax are going on their 5th head coach now, and they are seriously treading on thin ice out here since they haven't accomplished jack shyt in their own right.
 

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I'm here in Chicago today. It seems to me that sports radio here pretty much believe that Thibs deserved to be fired because he was too controlling and didn't know how to adjust to things not going his way. Is that true Chicago fans?
Yeah, there is some truth to that. He came up short in the playoffs multiple times in terms of making adjustments and properly utilizing his rotations. Hes a very stubborn man. The reason he was an assistant coach for 21 years before getting a head coach gig was because people around the league didnt think he had the makeup of a head coach. He also got dealt some rough cards here in terms of injury and fought through it and still won games.

The inconsistencies of the team this season pushed everything over the edge though, because he pretty much had a healthy team going into the playoffs, and we still saw them struggle. He just never got creative enough offensively and was too predictable

Ill also say, the league has adjusted to learn his defensive strategies, and many teams have apoted them. Once he lost that 'golden ticket', he became a bit less special in my eyes

People are starting to go overboard with it now though, fans have soured on him something serious the past couple months

A year ago, he was on of the most revered coaches in Chicago sports history, no joke. Pretty much unfukkablewith

Now people are like :ld:

Great coach, X & O wise, maybe not a great communicator, too stubborn, not allowing for criticism, he needs to get better in alot of areas to be truly called a great coach

Also, sounds like he lost the locker room, so if thats the case, then this relationship never had a chance to move forward
 

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to be honest, I'm shocked that jerry was even aware enough to write that response regarding thibs firing. I thought he did'nt pay any attention to the bulls.



thibs had 5 years, and it was time for a change. he simply COULD NOT teach offense. and you can't win games strictly off defense. lovie failed at that with the bears. but the other general consensus is that garpax are going on their 5th head coach now, and they are seriously treading on thin ice out here since they haven't accomplished jack shyt in their own right.
Thanks man. I flew in yesterday morning fresh off of Thibs firing thinking I would hear anger but Bulls fans and radio seemed to be ok with the firing and gave great explanations as to why.

This is a smart sports town
 
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