That explains a lot. They taught you a cold, soulless version of Islam. I'm guessing they spent a lot of time warning you about "deviant" sects and taught you these theological polemics before you even knew the Fatiha :Mjwtf:
That explains a lot. They taught you a cold, soulless version of Islam. I'm guessing they spent a lot of time warning you about "deviant" sects and taught you these theological polemics before you even knew the Fatiha :Mjwtf:
Malcolm X is avatar, shyts on Islam
Makes sense
I'm not shytting on the religion - it's not just attractive to black people anymore due to the atrocities the modern torch bearers of the religion, the Arabs, keep committing against black Muslims. If Malcolm X were alive today and he's privy to all the atrocities they committed in Libya and Mali - he'll understand. When something that's meant to be a catalyst for love/brotherhood turns to a vessel for hate, carnage, and destruction - it's always better to throw it in the bushes.
Moreover, Malcolm X converted to Sunni Islam towards the end of his life and I think Gamal Abdel Nasser played a big role in that since that was the era of revolutionaries. And he was trying to create a bigger platform for a major revolution. But he spent most of his 'woke' period in NOI. The NOI doctrine is different from the Arab one.
Guru
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No thanks, I've already made up mind@K33M
OP if you are serious you need to read this.
It has all the answers that you seek.
Qureshi holds an MD from Eastern Virginia Medical School, an MA in Christian apologetics from Biola University, and an MA in religion from Duke University. He is pursuing a PhD in New Testament at Oxford University. (Currently is battling stage 4 cancer)
All of the above is to be understood within the confines of "laysa ka mithlihi shay'" (there is nothing like Him). Again, this is a very basic thing when you're studying theology. It's probably the first thing you learn.
The Sunni position is to affirm the religious texts regarding these matters without tamtheel, Tashbeeh, etc.. basically without delving into the exact nature of these things and avoiding anthropomorphism. We simply do not know the exact nature of God's essence. What we know from His own Revelation is that there is nothing like Him, i.e. He is completely different from anything that can be seen or imagined. This is the prism through which we try to understand His attributes.
You're not understanding this properly if you think that these quotes imply anthropomorphism.
At the end of the day, we're using finite words to describe the infinite which causes this confusion for some, especially those who do not have a grasp of something as basic Suratul Ikhkas.
GetInTheTruck
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Not everyone I associated with were Salafis, I wouldn't consider myself a Salafi, and I couldn't be one anyway because I never changed the way I dressed or grew out a big beard, or wore kufees...none of that. I used to sell scented oils and incense with some of them back when I got kicked out of my crib and needed money....we would make salat in the street, the "regular muslims" would look at us like we were crazy. What does that tell you?
Say what you want about the Salafi's, but in terms of doctrine, they were on point. They didn't sugarcoat anything. The other "mainstream" muslims were the the ones who were muslim by name only, only time you'd catch them in the mosque was on Eid. Other than that they were ghost. These are the same people who want to now tell me my ideas about Islam are wrong. fukk outta here
Arab Culture =/= Islam
Most Muslims aren't even Arab
Arabs aren't even the standard bearers of Islam and haven't been so for the past 1000+ yrs
Arab Culture =/= Islam
Most Muslims aren't even Arab
Yes, I know most Muslims aren't Arab but that doesn't negate the fact that Arabs are the torch bearers of the religion in the contemporary world and almost all Arabs are Muslims. Arabs don't even view non-Arabs as real Muslims, that's how crazy it's. I believe Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world and Nigeria would be up there as well.
It's just basically like Christianity. Most Christians aren't white but white people are still the torch bearers of modern Christianity. That's my point.
Not everyone I associated with were Salafis, I wouldn't consider myself a Salafi, and I couldn't be one anyway because I never changed the way I dressed or grew out a big beard, or wore kufees...none of that. I used to sell scented oils and incense with some of them back when I got kicked out of my crib and needed money....we would make salat in the street, the "regular muslims" would look at us like we were crazy. What does that tell you?
Say what you want about the Salafi's, but in terms of doctrine, they were on point. They didn't sugarcoat anything. The other "mainstream" muslims were the the ones who were muslim by name only, only time you'd catch them in the mosque was on Eid. Other than that they were ghost. These are the same people who want to now tell me my ideas about Islam are wrong. fukk outta here
They were very visibly Muslim, but many of their teachings are at odds with the classical teachings.
I've been Salafi and still like a lot of things about them, but you yourself are a walking evidence of their erroneous views.
They taught you the Hadith about the slave girl, taught you how to debate with "deviants", taught you that music was Haram, but didn't teach the basics of Islamic spirituality and how the ritual acts of worship connect with the internal reality of a Muslim
The Odum of Ala Igbo
Hail Biafra!
That's from a Pakistani website or something. Lots of the positions that some of these scholars take are in line with their own cultural norms. So they will view the dreadlocks as something which is from the "culture of the non-muslims" (even though the Arabs at the time of the prophet pbuh did use to braid their hair).
The Muslims at the time of the Prophet did not significantly alter their manner of dress after Islam. Turbans and the like were worn by both Muslims, Jews, Christians pagans etc.. The Prophet pbuh was gifted garments from non Muslim regions (I believe Persia) and wore them.
Most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent still dress like their Hindu ancestors with minor modifications to live up to the requirements for hijab, but the fabric and style is still the same. Same for us African Muslims.
I don't know how easy it is to clean dreadlocks but the only valid objection that I could think of would be whether or not you can properly wash them for ritual prayer.
GetInTheTruck
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Dude this is the same thing Hindus teach, that the different deities are representations of the Supreme and are only valid within the empirical context only.
Because the understanding is that even though God is beyond description, it isn't fulfilling for us as humans to picture a "void" when approaching the divine, so we make due with what limited understanding we have. Even if you don't make a "graven image" or an "idol," your mind will seek to picture God when you beseech him. Islam seeks to snuff this inclination out, that's why I consider it a dry and emotionless religion. There's no "flavor" to it, no color, no life, no joy, no nothing...not surprising since it comes from the desert. Everybody has to look the same, act the same, pray the same....there is nothing spiritual about it. Islam tells you to follow orders or suffer the consequences. This may be fulfilling for you, but not for everyone.
As for the hadeeth, you are wrong. Allah has a form, this is clear. I don't know what "type" of Muslim you are but all the authoritative sources in Islam confirm that not only does Allah have a form, but he has a location as well. In Vedanta two paradigms are recognized : Saguna, God with form, and Nirguna, the formless absolute which is the all pervading Self of All that exists. Islam is ultimately unfulfilling because it keeps you handcuffed to a spook in the sky.