Thinking of converting to Islam (srs)

[GetInTheTruck]

Of course, they built on what they found. Stored the information, translated it, added to it. Islam encourages you to learn, to question and to go and seek answers. Islam's contribution to civilisation is recorded, if you want to learn more go and question and seek answers.

But the more important questions to me are the personal ones: where have I come from and where will I go? To answer those questions, the Quran does not mince words. The Quran is a warning and a blessing, when you are ready, pick up a copy or listen online. It's not about the randoms walking down the street, it's your personal journey. Born alone, die alone, will be raised up and questioned for your actions alone.

I am fully aware with what Islam is about, I was a Muslim for just over 10 years.

I don't agree with where Islam says I come from and where I will go if I don't believe in it. If Islam teaches that one needs to be a Muslim otherwise they will go to hell, what is the sense of talking about "personal journeys?" It's not really a personal journey that Islam advocates, Islam advocates only itself.

 

[jackson35]

submit to islam is the best thing a black man can do

 

[GetInTheTruck]

How about you actually go and read the holy Quran and hadiths and try and understand it. The Quran does not approve of child molestation or pedophilia. Hadiths vary when it comes to Aisha age, some of the modern hadiths have her as being 16 or 19 when she consummated the marriage. The fact is that she and her family approved of the marriage.


"And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed." - Surah Nur 24:31

"And when the children among you reach puberty, let them ask permission [at all times] as those before them have done. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses; and Allah is Knowing and Wise" - Surah Nur 24:59

At the end of the day Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl. There are hadeeth that confirm Aisha was playing with dolls around the time the marriage was consummated. The only people who dispute her age are Muslims who are ashamed of their own Prophet's actions. There's no way around it, you can dress it up any which way you like, doesn't make it any different.

 

[Lamar Givens]

I know people who are muslims and they have said nothing but good things about it, they seem happy.

And btw Christianity is just one of the MANY reasons I'm converting to Islam.

I said speak to an ex Muslim and ask what caused them to walk away.

How has Yeshua/Christ personally offended you?

 

[Dad]

You your own man, just make sure to study what your interested in.


Not only the religion, but the history of the religion(2 distinct things)


Be sure to make a distinction between Islam(adopting someones religion) and Arabism(adopting someones culture).
Just because your practicing Islam(someones religion) don't mean you gotta start running around in kufi's and kaftans(someones culture)

Enjoy your self


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this is a REALLY good point.

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

I am fully aware with what Islam is about, I was a Muslim for just over 10 years.

I don't agree with where Islam says I come from and where I will go if I don't believe in it. If Islam teaches that one needs to be a Muslim otherwise they will go to hell, what is the sense of talking about "personal journeys?" It's not really a personal journey that Islam advocates, Islam advocates only itself.

How come you stuck with it for 10 years?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

The notion that God manifests Himself in physical form, whether illusory or not, is Shirk in Islam. The Divine is completely separate in His essence from the creation.

Allah has a form according to Islam, this is confirmed by Islamic scholars. He has limbs, and he sits on a throne. In fact, it's said his "throne is on water." On the day of judgement Allah will bear his shin to the kings of the earth and demand their surrender. So if one is praying to Allah and trying to picture his/her object of worship in their mind, is this shirk? It is human nature to conceptualize things and paint pictures for better understanding. Islam protests this. It seeks to snuff out all manner of expression.

Allah also has a location, in the hadeeth the Prophet asked a slave girl "where is Allah?" the slave girl pointed upwards, and he confirmed she was correct.

But this begs the logical question, if Allah has a location, then doesn't that mean he is contained by "space?" If he can be contained by "space" then he isn't worthy of worship, because anything that can be contained can't be called God. How can a created thing such as Allah's throne, contain the weight of Allah?

The Abrahamic religions, Islam included, cannot answer these logical questions other than to insist that posing them in the first place is a sin or a fault. This is one of the many reasons Islam became ultimately unsatisfying for me.

Vedanta asks these questions....and answers them.

"Universal" does not mean "encompassing of all other religions".

You're basically asking "why does Islam regard Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism etc as false?" Which is a very absurd question.

All these religions differ fundamentally with one another and contradict one another.

I am asking you what is the point of throwing around lofty idealistic terms like "universal," when Islam is by nature a xenophobic doctrine of belief? You don't believe in universal anything. You believe in an Arab tribal deity. That's your right, but don't sell others on Islam by being dishonest.

 

[Karb]

Topic has gone off the rails smh

These Islam threads always gets nikkas in they feelings

But thx to those who stayed on topic & contributed

Making this thread wasn't a good idea tho breh. This was bound to happen

Talk to some local brehs and move on from there.

 

[Karb]

Allah has a form according to Islam, this is confirmed by Islamic scholars. He has limbs, and he sits on a throne. In fact, it's said his "throne is on water." On the day of judgement Allah will bear his shin to the kings of the earth and demand their surrender. So if one is praying to Allah and trying to picture his/her object of worship in their mind, is this shirk? It is human nature to conceptualize things and paint pictures for better understanding. Islam protests this. It seeks to snuff out all manner of expression.

Allah also has a location, in the hadeeth the Prophet asked a slave girl "where is Allah?" the slave girl pointed upwards, and he confirmed she was correct.

But this begs the logical question, if Allah has a location, then doesn't that mean he is contained by "space?" If he can be contained by "space" then he isn't worthy of worship, because anything that can be contained can't be called God. How can a created thing such as Allah's throne, contain the weight of Allah?

The Abrahamic religions, Islam included, cannot answer these logical questions other than to insist that posing them in the first place is a sin or a fault. This is one of the many reasons Islam became ultimately unsatisfying for me.

Vedanta asks these questions....and answers them.





I am asking you what is the point of throwing around lofty idealistic terms like "universal," when Islam is by nature a xenophobic doctrine of belief? You don't believe in universal anything. You believe in an Arab tribal deity. That's your right, but don't sell others on Islam by being dishonest.

You clearly don't even understand the basics of Islamic 'Aqeeda let alone the differences between say Ash'aris, Maturidis and Atharis. Allah neither has limbs nor a form according to all three schools of Sunni theology. This is basic rudimentary stuff. Anthropomorphism/tashbeeh is kufr according to all three schools.

Just stay out of this discussion and stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

How come you stuck with it for 10 years?

Everybody paves their own path.

I used to think Islam was only about worshiping one God too. But that really isn't the case. Islam is about worshiping an Arab tribal God, through the prism of Arab culture, using the Arabic language, and esteeming an Arab land as sacred over all others....and hating non-Muslims.

I eventually woke up to the fact that my own culture predates any Arab, and that the spiritual systems of my own people encompass and transcend the primitive ideas and conceptions of the middle eastern religions.

I have bypassed the need for religion. I deal with knowledge of Self. Plain living, and high thinking. I have no use for a mystery god, let alone a foreign one who seems to have an insatiable thirst for war and bloodshed.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You clearly don't even understand the basics of Islamic 'Aqeeda let alone the differences between say Ash'aris, Maturidis and Atharis. Allah neither has limbs nor a form according to all three schools of Sunni theology. This is basic rudimentary stuff. Anthropomorphism/tashbeeh is kufr according to all three schools.

Just stay out of this discussion and stop embarrassing yourself.

People asked the Prophet (Pbuh): O’ the Apostle of Allah will we see our Lord in the Day of Resurrection? Then the Apostle of Allah replied: Is there any dispute among you whether a full moon is visible? They answered: No. then The Prophet (Pbuh) continued asking them: “ Is there any dispute among you whether the sun is visible in a cloudless sky? They replied in the negative. Then The Prophet stated (Pbuh): “Then you will see your Lord just like this”. Allah will get the people together in the Day of Resurrection then He says: those who were worshiping any deity shall follow it. Then the ones who were worshiping sun will follow the sun and the ones who were worshiping moon will follow the moon and those who were worshiping Rebels will follow Rebels …Then Allah will come to them and says: “I am your Lord”, they reply: we’ll stay here till our Lord comes to us and when he comes to us we will recognize him, then Allah will appear in such a shape that they can recognize …

This is as per Bukhari.

Do you dispute that Allah has a throne and a footstool? Yes or no?

 

[Karb]

Everybody paves their own path.

I used to think Islam was only about worshiping one God too. But that really isn't the case. Islam is about worshiping an Arab tribal God, through the prism of Arab culture, using the Arabic language, and esteeming an Arab land as sacred over all others....and hating non-Muslims.

I eventually woke up to the fact that my own culture predates any Arab, and that the spiritual systems of my own people encompass and transcend the primitive ideas and conceptions of the middle eastern religions.

I have bypassed the need for religion. I deal with knowledge of Self. Plain living, and high thinking. I have no use for a mystery god, let alone a foreign one who seems to have an insatiable thirst for war and bloodshed.

Allah was never an Arab tribal God. Arabs did believe in Allah, but Islamic monotheism, which was new to the Arabs, was closer to Judaism and Christianity than any of the Arab religions.

Your other point about Islam "hating" non-Muslims is ridiculous. Calling non-Muslims to faith in God and warning them against the consequences of their poor choices is an act of Mercy if anything

Most of your posts revolve around the fact that Islam differentiates itself from other religions, which is just plain weird

"Islam says other religions are false"

Ya don't say ..

 

[Elle Driver]

The thing I like about Islam is that it's clear cut. To become part of Islam, you gotta be serious, don't half ass it.

 

[Karb]

People asked the Prophet (Pbuh): O’ the Apostle of Allah will we see our Lord in the Day of Resurrection? Then the Apostle of Allah replied: Is there any dispute among you whether a full moon is visible? They answered: No. then The Prophet (Pbuh) continued asking them: “ Is there any dispute among you whether the sun is visible in a cloudless sky? They replied in the negative. Then The Prophet stated (Pbuh): “Then you will see your Lord just like this”. Allah will get the people together in the Day of Resurrection then He says: those who were worshiping any deity shall follow it. Then the ones who were worshiping sun will follow the sun and the ones who were worshiping moon will follow the moon and those who were worshiping Rebels will follow Rebels …Then Allah will come to them and says: “I am your Lord”, they reply: we’ll stay here till our Lord comes to us and when he comes to us we will recognize him, then Allah will appear in such a shape that they can recognize …

This is as per Bukhari.

Do you dispute that Allah has a throne and a footstool? Yes or no?

What's the Arabic word for "shape", Einstein? What's the commentary on this Hadith?

Throne etc are meant to be understood metaphorically according to Sunni theologians. The basic principle when understanding anything that relates to Allah is "there's nothing like unto Him", laysa ka mithlihi shay'

 

[Ms.CuriousCat]

Everybody paves their own path.

I used to think Islam was only about worshiping one God too. But that really isn't the case. Islam is about worshiping an Arab tribal God, through the prism of Arab culture, using the Arabic language, and esteeming an Arab land as sacred over all others....and hating non-Muslims.

I eventually woke up to the fact that my own culture predates any Arab, and that the spiritual systems of my own people encompass and transcend the primitive ideas and conceptions of the middle eastern religions.

I have bypassed the need for religion. I deal with knowledge of Self. Plain living, and high thinking. I have no use for a mystery god, let alone a foreign one who seems to have an insatiable thirst for war and bloodshed.

You have the negative feels for Arabs. Lots of Muslims do.

How old were you when you converted to Islam?