@GetInTheTruck were you a Salafi/Madkhali?
Rice'N Beckford
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can muslims have dreads?
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The Prophet was asked a clear question and answered it clearly, even invoking the clear sight of the moon in a cloudless sky to drive the point home. Allah has a form.
Allah is "everywhere" by his knowledge, not his actual presence. As for his presence, he is in heaven, ABOVE the creation, over his throne.
Evidence that Allah is Exalted, High Above His Creation and Above the Heavens - islamqa.info
Where is Allah? - SunnahOnline.com
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A lot of the people I associated with were Salafi's, yes.
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It seems like you're a mature insults other people's beliefs.
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19. I don't have negative feelings towards Arabs, I have negative feelings towards ethno-centric belief systems that parade themselves as being universal when they really aren't.
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If something is a lie you expose it for what it is.
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OP if you are serious you need to read this.
It has all the answers that you seek.
Qureshi holds an MD from Eastern Virginia Medical School, an MA in Christian apologetics from Biola University, and an MA in religion from Duke University. He is pursuing a PhD in New Testament at Oxford University. (Currently is battling stage 4 cancer)
OP if you are serious you need to read this.
It has all the answers that you seek.
Qureshi holds an MD from Eastern Virginia Medical School, an MA in Christian apologetics from Biola University, and an MA in religion from Duke University. He is pursuing a PhD in New Testament at Oxford University. (Currently is battling stage 4 cancer)
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Imam Abu Hanifah[10]
Abu Muti' Al-Balkhi reported: "I asked Imam Abu Hanifah about a person who says, 'I do not know whether my Rabb is, above the heavens or on earth?' Abu Hanifah, may Allah grant him His mercy, said: 'A person who makes such a statement becomes an apostate because Allah, the Exalted says, 'The Merciful has ascended above the 'Arsh, and the 'Arsh of Allah is above His heavens'. I further asked Abu Hanifah, 'What if such a person admits, Allah is above His 'Arsh, but exclaims, I do not know whether His 'Arsh is above the heavens or on earth'. Abu Hanifah responded: 'If he denies that the 'Arsh is above the heavens, he is an apostate." [Sharh at-Tahawiyyah, p. 288] If the person apostatizes by saying that he did not know where is the 'Arshof Allah, then by right a person who denies the Loftiness of Allah altogether is definitely worse than an apostate.
Imam Malik[11]
Abdullah ibn Nafi' reported: Malik ibn Anas said: "Allah is above the heavens, but His knowledge encompasses everything. Nothing escapes His knowledge." [Abdullah ibn Ahmad, As-Sunnah, and others]
Imam Ash-Shafi'i[12]
Imam Ash-Shafi'i said:"The creed which I hold is the same creed the Muslims before me were holding, namely, the Testimony of Faith: "There is no god worthy of being worshipped except Allah, that Muhammed is the Messenger of Allah, and that Allah is above His 'Arsh, above the heavens. He descends to the lowest heaven whenever He wishes." [Al-Juyush al-Islamiyyah, Ibn Al-Qayyim, p. 93] Imam ibn Khuzaymah, a Shafi'ite himself, said: "Whoever disacknowledges that Allah is above His 'Arsh, above His seven heavens, and that He is separated from His creatures, is a Kafir, (unbeliever). Such person must be ordered to repent and disavow his belief, or else he must be beheaded and thrown on a garbage dump so that neither Ahlul-Qiblah[13] nor Ahludh-Dhimmah[14] be annoyed by the foul odor of his carcass." [Ibid] Abu Bakr Muhammad at-Tamimi, a Shafi'ite Imam of Naisabur, said: "I do not pray behind a person who denies the attributes of Allah and does not recognize that Allah is above His 'Arsh." [Ibid]
Imam Ahmad[15]
He was asked: "Is Allah above His 'Arsh, above the seventh heaven, separate from His creatures, and is His knowledge and power encompassing everything everywhere?" He replied: "Certainly, He is above His 'Arsh and nothing escapes His knowledge." [Al-Juyush al-Islamiyyah, Ibn Al-Qayyim, p. 123] All of the above show that the entire Muslim 'Ummah, in the past and present, is in unison regarding the belief in the Loftiness and Supremacy of Allah, the Exalted.
Seeing Allah in Jannah does not mean that Allah has a form. Even the Salafis will tell you that. "We do not know the manner in which this will be manifested" is how they usually phrase it. It's from the realm of the unknown, in a different dimension (Aakhirah) which is not necessarily the same as our four dimensional world (spatially and temporally). "Form" implies a spatial restriction which is why I asked you for the Arabic wording in the Hadith. You do not know Arabic it seems.
Even the Salafis who obsess about the Hadith of the slave girl are careful not to ascribe direction to God. When they say "above" they mean "outside of creation".
Ps. You're quoting Salafi sources. I'm not a Salafi nor are the majority of the Muslims
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What attracted you to Islam?
Why not?