Thinking of converting to Islam (srs)

[nahnah]

Yes, I know most Muslims aren't Arab but that doesn't negate the fact that Arabs are the torch bearers of the religion in the contemporary world and almost all Arabs are Muslims. Arabs don't even view non-Arabs as real Muslims, that's how crazy it's. I believe Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world and Nigeria would be up there as well.

It's just basically like Christianity. Most Christians aren't white but white people are still the torch bearers of modern Christianity. That's my point.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

They were very visibly Muslim, but many of their teachings are at odds with the classical teachings.

I've been Salafi and still like a lot of things about them, but you yourself are a walking evidence of their erroneous views.

They taught you the Hadith about the slave girl, taught you how to debate with "deviants", taught you that music was Haram, but didn't teach the basics of Islamic spirituality and how the ritual acts of worship connect with the internal reality of a Muslim

Dog what are you talking about....for real. The same type of people who make these arguments you are making are the same people who miss their prayers, slack on their fasting during ramadan, commit zina, consume food that isn't halal, drink liquor....get the fukk outta here man.

The Salafis are the ones out there living the deen, and it makes the mainstream Muslims uncomfortable. A big reason why I left Islam is because I realized that these Salafi cats are right about what Islam is truly about, they wasn't faking it like everyone else...and I decided that shyt aint for me.

 

[Karb]

Dude this is the same thing Hindus teach, that the different deities are representations of the Supreme and are only valid within the empirical context only.

Because the understanding is that even though God is beyond description, it isn't fulfilling for us as humans to picture a "void" when approaching the divine, so we make due with what limited understanding we have. Even if you don't make a "graven image" or an "idol," your mind will seek to picture God when you beseech him. Islam seeks to snuff this inclination out, that's why I consider it a dry and emotionless religion. There's no "flavor" to it, no color, no life, no joy, no nothing...not surprising since it comes from the desert. Everybody has to look the same, act the same, pray the same....there is nothing spiritual about it. Islam tells you to follow orders or suffer the consequences. This may be fulfilling for you, but not for everyone.

As for the hadeeth, you are wrong. Allah has a form, this is clear. I don't know what "type" of Muslim you are but all the authoritative sources in Islam confirm that not only does Allah have a form, but he has a location as well. In Vedanta two paradigms are recognized : Saguna, God with form, and Nirguna, the formless absolute which is the all pervading Self of All that exists. Islam is ultimately unfulfilling because it keeps you handcuffed to a spook in the sky.

This is the same logic Christians use for why God had to assume a human form.

It's flawed because you do not have to see something in order to experience it. You do not have to visualize God in order to have a relationship with Him or to feel close to Him.

I've been studying my religion for decades bro and I'm well versed in Salafi 'Aqeeda. They NEVER say that God has a form. In fact, believing that God has a form is anthropomorphism which is kufr by CONSENSUS of all schools of thought!

The Ash'aris are even more strict when it comes to this:

Is it permissible for a Muslim to believe that Allah is in the Sky in Literal sense?

You need to understand that these texts are not meant to be understood in a literal sense!

So the Salafis will say about the "Hand" of God that "we affirm what Allah has affirmed for himself without making any interpretation (ta'weel) or anthropomorphising His attributes (Tashbeeh = literally "likening Him to the creation").

Where they differ with the Ash'aris and Maturidis is that the latter go a step further and interpret these words in a way that doesn't even create any association with anthropomorphism in the minds of the reader. So they'll say that the "Hand" of Allah is referring to the "Power" of Allah (which is plausible in a linguistics sense if you know the Arabic language) and that the Throne is referring to the Dominion of God (again, very plausible).

The Salafis reject this approach because they see it is going too far.

This is literally something which has been a contention between these schools of thoughts (if you believe that the Salafis are an extension of the Hanbalis/Atharis in terms of Aqeeda) for close to 1000 years. It's a vast topic and you have a very poor grasp of it breh.

What I find most appealing about Islam is exactly that which you criticized. The fact that my Lord is so Awesome and amazing that the imagination of mere mortals cannot encompass Him is extremely awe inspiring and humbling.

Meditating on His Divine Attributes brings me closer to Him. I might not conceptualize God in His Essence, but I can conceptualize His Mercy, His Divine handiwork in the creation etc..

The creation itself is a form of Quran, it's a manifestation of the word of God. Everything is a signpost to His excellence.

You can worship these images if you want, but I think Islamic spirituality is purer and more wholesome

Anyways, I've spent enough time going back and forth with you. Pm me if you want to discuss these things. I like hearing different perspectives

 

[Dad]

That's from a Pakistani website or something. Lots of the positions that some of these scholars take are in line with their own cultural norms. So they will view the dreadlocks as something which is from the "culture of the non-muslims" (even though the Arabs at the time of the prophet pbuh did use to braid their hair).

The Muslims at the time of the Prophet did not significantly alter their manner of dress after Islam. Turbans and the like were worn by both Muslims, Jews, Christians pagans etc.. The Prophet pbuh was gifted garments from non Muslim regions (I believe Persia) and wore them.

Most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent still dress like their Hindu ancestors with minor modifications to live up to the requirements for hijab, but the fabric and style is still the same. Same for us African Muslims.


I don't know how easy it is to clean dreadlocks but the only valid objection that I could think of would be whether or not you can properly wash them for ritual prayer.

can you expound on this please?

 

[Karb]

Dog what are you talking about....for real. The same type of people who make these arguments you are making are the same people who miss their prayers, slack on their fasting during ramadan, commit zina, consume food that isn't halal, drink liquor....get the fukk outta here man.

The Salafis are the ones out there living the deen, and it makes the mainstream Muslims uncomfortable. A big reason why I left Islam is because I realized that these Salafi cats are right about what Islam is truly about, they wasn't faking it like everyone else...and I decided that shyt aint for me.

Hujjat Al-Islam Iman Al-Ghazali was a slacker?

I pray five times a day, fast Ramadan, I speak Arabic etc..

You got this weird idea that Salafis are the only practising Muslims in the world which is a joke.

You do realize that the vast majority of Islamic institutions in Africa and Asia are non-Salafi, right? This includes Al-Azhar and all the prominent schools in the Maghreb.

They messed you up badly, breh

Come back to the Haqq :Friendhug:

 

[Karb]

can you expound on this please?

Well washing your hair is part of wudu (ritual purification) which is necessary before every prayer. If dreadlocks are a hindrance to that, then they would be impermissible I suppose. I don't know how easy it is to clean dreads.

 

[Rice'N Beckford]

Why not?

Idk breh I read its harem

 

[SirReginald]

Follow the teaching of child molesters brehs

Narrated ‘Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage (had sex) when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64



Narrated ‘Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage (had sex) when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’



And we got brehs trying to co sign this false religion

I'm negging you breh.

 

[Lamar Givens]

I'm negging you breh.

Thank you

 

[SirReginald]

Thank you

You're welcome.


Throughout this thread you have done nothing, but troll and crap on the OP. I dislike people like you I really do. He's trying to fix his life and you come in with your propaganda. Also, don't respond to me by playing stupid. YOU KNOW exactly what I'm talking about. There's a time for low-key trolling, but this isn't it. I'm being dead serious btw. Dude is a Black man trying to find himself and not be subservient to anyone besides G-d.

 

[SirReginald]

P.S. @Lamar Givens you are such a doofus mofo. I saw what you posted back when you first joined.

It teachers her that racism comes from all colors, even blacks. No matter how she is treated her responsibility is to walk in love, and forgiveness, but at the same time recognize that God will fight her battles. She is taught that she is a spiritual being created by God, and that her color does not define who he has created her to be.

I'm almost 40 years old, and God has opened doors of prosperity for me by using some of the nastiest cacs who were my enemies. I allowed HIM to fight my battles, but I also used wisdom in my life choices when I was in certain situations where the color of my skin was a factor. I never walked around with fear, or impending doom that the world was out to get me because of the color of my skin. Nearly my entire youth and early adulthood was in the south where the majority of my family lives. I followed God's path and I am where I am today because of that.

Black people can't be racist.

1. Christianity has nothing to do with freemasonry. Do you even know historically when the first time the word Christian was used? This is beyond ignorance.

2. The concept of Christianity does not come from Africa! The word Christian is a first century term used by the inhabitants of Antioch which is modern day Syria.

You are clueless, and the more you type/talk demonstrates your ignorance.

4. The opposite of love is hate, and the vitriol in your posts affirm your disdain/hatred for white people.

5. You are correct, I do not follow Ifa because it is satanic, and demonically inspired.

Ifa is satanic Also, this whole post is

 

[Lamar Givens]

P.S. @Lamar Givens you are such a doofus mofo. I saw what you posted back when you first joined.




Black people can't be racist.


Ifa is satanic Also, this whole post is

You posted all this just because I disagree with Islam?

It is what it is.

But go ahead, follow the teachings of a pedophile and child rapist breh

 

[SirReginald]

You posted all this just because I disagree with Islam?

It is what it is.

But go ahead, follow the teachings of a pedophile and child rapist breh

I'm not Muslim I lean more towards Judaism. However, you were the one who derailed a thread of a young brotha trying to find his path. For that alone you're a scumbag.

 

[Lamar Givens]

I'm not Muslim I lean more towards Judaism. However, you were the one who derailed a thread of a young brotha trying to find his path. For that alone you're a scumbag.

I derailed the thread because I told bruh the truth?

 

[SirReginald]

I derailed the thread because I told bruh the truth?

No, you derailed the thread because it was laced with propaganda. You added nothing of virtue to the thread. All you could have done was tell him to research what he was getting into or tell him good luck. You just sh-tted on the religion.