This about to get ugly.Ice cube vs nas... In thier prime

[mobbinfms]

Well yeah he made a comeback but th album isn't worthy of you attaching it to his prime run tbh.

Any of Cubes albums between 1988-1996 are better except Bow Down which is roughly equal.

I get what you are saying...Cube's decline was really gradual. Nas went from IWW to the Firm album
That being said, we don't talk about Cube making a dramatic return to form.
His albums slowly declined. I guess you could say he got a little spark with Bow Down
But he hadn't dropped anything really bad before that. He was just inspired to shyt on the east coast
Then We Be Clubbing dropped and it was clear things had changed. We were in the Don Mega era

That's the reason that I call it a second peak for Nas...of course Stillmatic wasn't as good as Illmatic. So I do get your point.

 

[SirBiatch]

Nope. 7-8 months.

Bumrush The Show: February 10, 1987

Straight Outta Compton: August 9, 1988

7-8 months?

First of all, I hate that this thread has gotten so sloppy. This thread is comparing Ice Cube and Nas as solo artists. OP doesn't say that directly but it's implied in multiple ways. So NWA discussion is erroneous off rip.

But even if you put NWA discussion in, Public Enemy had a headstart on NWA. This is fact. Criminal Minded, the ignorant gangsta rapper KRS One who was accidentally conscious, had a headstart on NWA. Check the dates. And KRS is sampled all over NWA's debut.

This forced, insecure idea that Cube's approach to hip hop is without precedence is fukking dumb. That's all I've been saying.

But y'all are welcome to keep arguing the obvious.

Thanks for TOTALLY showing this clown EXACTLY what I was saying. I can't WAIT for his reply for this. Cube was ALREADY doing his thing as PE was doing theirs. He is probably in his 20's and doesn't realize that it was like it is now. Nobody was hearing what everybody else was doing Cube was doing his style and Chuck/PE were doing theirs.

The anger

"Backup.... send backup!"

Instead of relying on others, why don't you learn to think for yourself? Then again, if you did, you probably wouldn't be so insecure in your discussion

 

[H.S.]

Nah fam. Compare their bodies of work & guest features when they were alive & there's a huge difference in skill level. But you're right we're gonna get off topic

I like how you worded this. As if BIG wasn't alive when Cube was rocking from 88-92.

Cube lost his superpowers around the same time that Biggie gained his, so I'll give you that.

 

[bigrodthe1]

Bumrush The Show: February 10, 1987

Straight Outta Compton: August 9, 1988

7-8 months?

First of all, I hate that this thread has gotten so sloppy. This thread is comparing Ice Cube and Nas as solo artists. OP doesn't say that directly but it's implied in multiple ways. So NWA discussion is erroneous off rip.

But even if you put NWA discussion in, Public Enemy had a headstart on NWA. This is fact. Criminal Minded, the ignorant gangsta rapper KRS One who was accidentally conscious, had a headstart on NWA. Check the dates. And KRS is sampled all over NWA's debut.

This forced, insecure idea that Cube's approach to hip hop is without precedence is fukking dumb. That's all I've been saying.

But y'all are welcome to keep arguing the obvious.



The anger

"Backup.... I need backup!"

Instead of relying on others, why don't you learn to think for yourself? Then again, if you did, you probably wouldn't be so insecure in your discussion

I had already said it right here

Fool we already established that PE's debut was NOTHING like the NWA sound, subject matter etc...the timing of A Nation and SOC is what makes them social peers. And We Not talking about AMERIKKKA's Most stop trying to move the goal posts

The truth shall set me free your dumb ass just kept trying to move it and bring up Cube's solo debut. You are a dumb fukk. Go back to stanning ASAP Rocky this REAL Hip Hop shyt isn't for you.
And just to show you how stupid and wrong you are I'll just drop this right here
N.W.A. and the Posse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
N.W.A. and the Posse is a 1987 Macola Records release that compiled various Dr. Dre-produced tracks and was marketed as an album by N.W.A.

Now who was influencing who...I'll wait for your idiotic reply

 

[Knicksman20]

I like how you worded this. As if BIG wasn't alive when Cube was rocking from 88-92.

Cube lost his superpowers around the same time that Biggie gained his, so I'll give you that.

Caught me slick talking

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Bumrush The Show: February 10, 1987

Straight Outta Compton: August 9, 1988

7-8 months?

NWA and The Posse came out in Nov 1987.

So yes, it was 7-8 months like I said....

Take your L on this one and don't try to spin it.

First of all, I hate that this thread has gotten so sloppy. This thread is comparing Ice Cube and Nas as solo artists. OP doesn't say that directly but it's implied in multiple ways. So NWA discussion is erroneous off rip.

Cube was writing for everyone in the group except MC Ren and was the lead artist.

No Cube, No fukk The Police. No Boyz In The Hood. No Dopeman. No Express Yourself...none of that.

But even if you put NWA discussion in, Public Enemy had a headstart on NWA. This is fact. Criminal Minded, the ignorant gangsta rapper KRS One who was accidentally conscious, had a headstart on NWA. Check the dates. And KRS is sampled all over NWA's debut.

Nope. Please know your history and discography before talking in absolutes.

He wasn't sampled on the debut. Nor was KRS One records getting any burn out here to where Ice Cube would have had a direct influence from him when he wrote Boyz In The Hood in 1986 because he wrote it before Criminal Minded came out.

This forced, insecure idea that Cube's approach to hip hop is without precedence is fukking dumb. That's all I've been saying.

But y'all are welcome to keep arguing the obvious.

You trying oh so hard to discredit him for no reason is what's fukking dumb.

 

[Still Benefited]

Im guessing your a westcoast Mexican?



Beautiful line



Nas on memory lane is beautiful story telling painting pictures with words.

Cube has more mainstream appeal, more hits than Nas.



Inspiration to nikkas bendin corners low lows, I grew up in the projects in nyc so i resonate more with Nas, than cube.

Both dudes were 16 pennin' memorable verses b, that in itself is amazing.

Cube better poet than Nasir? Come on my dude really? Memory lane is poetry bruh,

"my intellect prevails from a hanging cross with nails, I reinforce the frail with lyrics that's real" thats poetry my dude...

And im a NWA Stan to the death my nikka, but poetry Nas is one of the best ever.

Inspiration? Lol naaaa i would hope not cube is a pot belly chump... I don't inspire to be a sucker.

Nas Lists His Favorite Hip-Hop Albums of All-Time - DJBooth Article

So Nas was in the 64 bending corners now

Nas was only inspiring nikkas stepping in pissy elevators,wearing timbs everyday....the numbers Illmatic did upon its release actually give validity to what I'm saying....You are unfortunatly speaking from a narrow view point/bubble if you believe that....Theres a reason Cube was the most anticipated emcee of the moment when he dropped,while Nas on the other hand wasnt....Its cute yall got a preference,but the facts is facts.....nikkas heard Nas rap and wasnt sittin indian style waitin for him to drop,maybe they heard kool g rap already

Far as poetry,well lets just dig up maya angelou and tell her she aint shyt cuz she didnt have multis...a good poet is able to express emotion through they words,and in turn bring that same emotion out ofnthe person reading or listening....basically the measure of a great emcee to me.

Not only that but as a emcee Cube is more convincing and far more charismatic.....Cube introduced original thought/knowledge/game in such a way he forced you to view not only the world differently,but yourself differently....and yall got the nerve to question if Cube isna better rapper than Nas,tht aint in Nas pedigree,at least he has better taste than his fans,he's a fan of nikkas of that pedigree.

Nah man,like i said i respect Nas so this aint as laughable as that Ghostface comparison,but nah,just nah

 

[bigrodthe1]

NWA and The Posse came out in Nov 1987.

So yes, it was 7-8 months like I said....

Take your L on this one and don't try to spin it.



Cube was writing for everyone in the group except MC Ren and was the lead artist.

No Cube, No fukk The Police. No Boyz In The Hood. No Dopeman. No Express Yourself...none of that.



Nope. Please know your history and discography before talking in absolutes.

He wasn't sampled on the debut. Nor was KRS One records getting any burn out here to where Ice Cube would have had a direct influence from him when he wrote Boyz In The Hood in 1986 because he wrote it before Criminal Minded came out.



You trying oh so hard to discredit him for no reason is what's fukking dumb.

dude is done...he won't be back in here

 

[Still Benefited]

they dont wanna talk about NWA yall

They dont wanna talk about Kill At Will yall

 

[Still Benefited]

Illmatic is a cultural cornerstone. It's one of (if not the most) important albums in hip hop.

Explain its importance and what would be different about hiphop without it

 

[SirBiatch]

NWA and The Posse came out in Nov 1987.

That is not an official NWA release, nor their debut and you know it. Even NWA members (I can't remember if it was Arabian Prince or DJ Yella) said it wasn't official in one of those VladTV interviews - Vlad had brought it up. Please stop forcing this. It makes y'all look so damn desperate

Cube was writing for everyone in the group except MC Ren and was the lead artist.

No Cube, No fukk The Police. No Boyz In The Hood. No Dopeman. No Express Yourself...none of that.

Why are you so desperate to throw this stuff in the discussion anyway? Scared that Cube's solo work don't quite hold up like that, especially against Nas?

Like I said, this thread implies solo artist vs solo artist.

Nope. Please know your history and discography before talking in absolutes.

He wasn't sampled on the debut.

Have you even heard Straight Outta Compton?

Straight Outta Compton - Sample Credits |

You trying oh so hard to discredit him for no reason is what's fukking dumb.

So this is what it's all about?

This whole time I'm just responding to the false idea that Cube's approach to hip hop had no precedent, and y'all take it as me discrediting him?

That (coastal) insecurity

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

That is not an official NWA release and you know it. Even NWA members (I can't remember if it was Arabian Prince or DJ Yella) said it wasn't official in one of those VladTV interviews - Vlad had brought it up. Please stop forcing this. It makes y'all look so damn desperate

Very valiant try but you are wrong, again.

It is an official release, with their name on it, with original music recorded by them that wasn't put out anywhere else.

Not to mention, this completely shyts on your idea that Public Enemy dropped over a year before them and influenced them.

Like @StillNotSoft mentioned, Kill At Will wasn't even mentioned for Cube.

What it did show was you didn't know what you were talking about like you tried to make it sound....or else I wouldn't have had to point that out....

Can't even have a simple hip hop convo without West Coast insecurity setting in

Can you make a post with out adding fake emotions into it like its 'insecurity' or 'people being upset with Sirbiatch?

Just this once, then you can go back to playing this card.

Why are you so desperate to throw this stuff in the discussion anyway? Scared that Cube's solo work don't quite hold up like that, especially against Nas?

Like I said, this thread implies solo artist vs solo artist.

Why are you trying to side step the debate breh?

Yeah I am real afraid of it not holding up to Nas when I said I'd pick Nas earlier in the thread

All this shyt you are posting, is deflecting now. No need to try to steer this off course and bring up irrelevant shyt.

You tried to say that Cube ripped off other people, I proved to you were wrong in TWO instances so you have to resort to this, I get it.

REAL HEADS they know though.

This whole time I'm just responding to the false idea that Cube's approach to hip hop had no precedent, and y'all take it as me discrediting him?

That (coastal) insecurity

That's not what you said and that's not what I corrected but if this helps your own mind spin yourself out of the L you took in here, that's fine. I don't care. Everyone saw you get chumped in here.

But fall back on the super corny, always expected from SirBiatch of injected fake emotion into a situation that has none when you clearly didn't know what you were talking about but wanted to seem like an authority.

 

[SouthSac916]

Ether is the son of No Vaseline ijs

 

[ManBearPig]

Nas
Nas
Nas



The answer is Nas and its not all that close

 

[SirBiatch]

You tried to say that Cube ripped off other people, I proved to you were wrong in TWO instances so you have to resort to this, I get it.

for fux sake breh, stop being so damn insecure Your city/coast is NOT on the line for this discussion.

I never said Cube was a clone or a rip-off or anything of that nature. I simply said his approach to hip hop had precedent. Just like Nas's did.

To dismiss Nas because his approach to hip hop had precedent but then say that Cube's approach didn't is fukking ludicrous. BOTH artists approached hip hop in ways that were set out before them. Both brought new shyt to the table as well.

All this back and forth, as well as the impressive gymnasting from you and your cheerleader won't change this. No matter how hard you try.

Now run along or keep being desperate.