this dude bron is pound for pound the most versatile player ever

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

I'd have no problem putting LBJ top 3 all time. But better than MJ? LBJ better passer, more versatile. MJ, better defender, just as efficient of a scorer(maybe even more efficient considering the volume of his shots compared to LBJ) LBJ better rebounder. All things considered, MJ's PER in all six of his finals apperances eclipse at least 3 of LBJ's final appearances, if not all of them. LBJ's had some baaaad finals.

You should, and you wouldn't have any credibility if you did.

 

[Jplaya2023]

You said nikka made the offs, but forgot to mention said record
Jordan stans even worse than Kobe stans.

i clearly listed the bulls record

are you high again?

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Well to be fair, NBA was a lot more fast paced in the 80s, so MJ got way more possesions
So per 70 possessions (around the equivalent of playing 36 minutes in today's NBA)
Jordan 88 and 89 seasons combined
29.3 5.9 6.0 2.6 1.1 608 TS%

LeBron 2009 and 2010 seasons combined (per 70 poss as well)
28.3 7.2 7.7 1.6 1.1 .598 TS%

Kobe Bryant 06+07 (his 2 best stastical seasons but he barelly even make the playoffs one of the seasons. So these stats are somewhat less impressive to begin with, not to mention overall weaker than the 2 above but just for shyts and giggles)
29.9 4.9 4.4 1.5 0.4 .568 TS%

Games started in 06
Smush Parker 82
Lamar Odom 80
Chris Mihm 56
Kwame Brown 49
Brian Cook 46


Games started in 07
Parker 80
Walton 60
Odom 56
Bynum 53


Very few even picked the Lakers to make the playoffs. Its damn near a miracle they actually did, especially in the west, and they did so because of one guy, Kobe.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-LALPreview0506

 

[Draje]

Making the playoffs and not succedding makes him worse. And no, hes not a better 5 on 5 player, especially when the stakes are highest. 5-7 is eternally better than 2-5.

How the Fukk does that make him worse? Are you a moron?

If Lebron missed the playoffs in a WEAK EAST, where sub .500 teams are making the playoffs, that's WORSE than him losing in the Finals?

"Man, guys...the Knicks did much better than the Hawks this year! The Hawks about to get knocked out in the ECF while the Knicks are out of the playoffs."

That's the stupidity of your statement.

Oh, we're counting sidekick rings? Pippen is a better player than Kobe then, right? 6 is better than 5.

 

[Marvel]

How is Lebron not better than MJ? Lebron is winning with the rat pack. When MJ had the rat pack, they would lose in the 1st round.

MJ couldn't even see 40 wins before Pippen showed up.

 

[High quality poster]

Yall always with this "Lebron is so good, he's better than Jordan" blah blah blah

Then he gets embarrassed in the finals and then the blame goes back to those same teammates who yall claim he makes so good

So now losing in the finals don't matter, yet yall quick to shyt on Peyton for loosing in the super bowl(Peyton's my favorite player too)

Sorry, but you don't build around Lebron if you want championships, considering the fact that he had to go to another franchise to get his rings to protect his legacy while the team that drafted him suffers



Lebrons versatility is tho

But he ain't top 3 nikka

 

[fifth column]

MJ couldn't even see 40 wins before Pippen showed up.

Pippen showed up as a scrub and MJ made him an all star, Olympic champ and HOF. Smh at Pippen showing up

 

[surv2syn]

the bulls made the playoffs in MJs first 3 years in the league without pippen.

Every year he was healthy the bulls win total improved

84 - before mj - 29 wins
85 - with mj - 38 wins
86 - mj misses 64 games 30 wins
87 - with mj 40 wins

the bulls were improving every year. Forgive him if there was less teams in the league but 8 teams still made the playoffs and he had to face teams like the pistons, celtics, sizxers, cavs, andn hawks (5 or 6 fukkin times in a season)

were any of those winning seasons tho

03- before Lebron - 17 wins
04- with Lebron - 35 wins
05- with Lebron - 42 wins (first winning season)
06 - with Lebron - 50 wins
07 - with Lebron - 50 wins
08 - with Lebron -45 wins
09 - with Lebron - 66 wins
10 - with Lebron - 61 wins
11 - Lebron leaves....19 wins. (when Mike retired, Bulls only lost 2 more games than when he was there)

that first run with Cleveland, there was never a Pippen type player (MVP candidate), there was never even a Horace Grant type player. Only damaged goods in Ilgauskas, past prime Jamison, and pre-retirement Shaq.

furthermore the Cavs never won more than 57 games in their entire history except the years LBJ was there.

if you say MJ is better I wont argue with you....but he has NEVER meant more to the win/loss column by himself than Lebron, Magic, Russell, Wilt, Oscar, Bird, or Shaq.

 

[surv2syn]

Pippen showed up as a scrub and MJ made him an all star, Olympic champ and HOF. Smh at Pippen showing up

fuq did Jordan make him a star??? if that was the case, why did Pippen have his best statistical seasons without MJ???
in fact, Armstrong and Grant had their best statistical seasons when Jordan wasnt around. What happened to Mo Williams post Lebron?

 

[Thatrogueassdiaz]

MJ post game wasn't better nor is it close to Lebron's at this stage of James career compared to MJ's prime of his. Lebron can post up 1-4. MJ couldn't. Saying MJ posting up guards better is fine except Lebron can post up 1-4. That makes a massive difference in terms of defensive scheme for a coach.

Mid range is a lot harder due to zone defenses and in today's NBA. Saying otherwise is stupid. I can post videos to show you why it is so much easier to shoot mid range shots in the 80's and 90's than today. The three point basket is far more important in today's NBA.

Throw out anomalies my friends. 20% is not equal to his previous 3pt performances in previous playoffs. It's an anomaly.

MJ is not close to as good a defender as James. James covers a lot more ground and is a defensive anchor in terms of communication. MJ was never that. He was a great team defender and can situation be a dominate man defender but Lebron is all of those things and he's a defensive anchor. Throwing out numbers like blocks and steals is pointless when defensive impact is really the point of reference. That's how you dictate who is a great perimeter defender. Hell, Lebron is also a good post defender and can defend PF's to good success.

Triple doubles are indicative of all around game. Impact is. I seen Jordan Crawford get triple doubles with high ball usage and rebounding. Lebron creates for his teammates, he makes the right decision passing the ball, he doesn't have this scorers mentality like MJ and Kobe. He's more of a PG with the ability to score. Saying MJ has the all around game on Lebron is a misnomer. He doesn't. MJ's triple doubles are more like . Of course, MJ is better and no one is saying otherwise but the type of triple doubles he has is similar where he is more of a scorer mentality type.


huh? If this ain't a hyperbole, I don't know what is.


That's the issue with Lebron in discussions. A lot of ya'll don't like how he does his business. MJ was smooth. MJ was like a swan. Bron is more like a Mack Truck. At the end of the day, it's never going to be about reality, it's will always be emotionally driven.

You can't be serious. It took Bron YEARS to develop a post game. He finally got dominant with it 3 years ago.

You gotta be kidding me. MJs post game and footwork is only topped by the Dream. Lebron ain't even in that class at all, his footwork is horrible in the post

this

 

[surv2syn]

Where was the HOF and all star PF his first 3 seasons in the league?!?!?

he had losing seasons all those years. the only thing LBJ had remotely resembling an All Star his first 6 years was Ilgauskas. in his 7th year he did get old washed up Shaq and Jameson

 

[#1 pick]

Games started in 06
Smush Parker 82
Lamar Odom 80
Chris Mihm 56
Kwame Brown 49
Brian Cook 46


Games started in 07
Parker 80
Walton 60
Odom 56
Bynum 53


Very few even picked the Lakers to make the playoffs. Its damn near a miracle they actually did, especially in the west, and they did so because of one guy, Kobe.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-LALPreview0506

Ya'll love posting Kobe's roster as if the NBA wasn't weak at that time. Look across the NBA at that time. Most teams even the best ones had one or two scrubs in the starting lineup.

Most ppl thought the Lakers could make the playoffs that year. It was contend which no one thought they could do.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Ya'll love posting Kobe's roster as if the NBA wasn't weak at that time. Look across the NBA at that time. Most teams even the best ones had one or two scrubs in the starting lineup.

Most ppl thought the Lakers could make the playoffs that year. It was contend which no one thought they could do.

Meh, the league was down for the most part during that time but the Lakers' talent level was particularly shytty

 

[#1 pick]

Meh, the league was down for the most part during that time but the Lakers' talent level was particularly shytty

Agreed but let's not throw out names in a comparison chart to Lebron is if today's NBA is equal because it's not. Maybe the stars are equal but a lot of teams were starting squads with scrubs at that time. The Hawks were starting cats at that time that wouldn't make the D-League today.

 

[Rich Spirit]

The same guy that needed to stay the whole game so he can score 61 pts on the Bobcats