This is so SAD, look at this CLOWN

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The point is I doubt they are. They support popular artist but, you need to support more artist then that to help the business run, and most whites have no idea who "underground" rap artist are, they never did. Only a few were into it, and they were like Pete Rosenberg, they were true fans.

A good example is porn. Most people who do porn are not millionaires, but the industry does billions, and that is because so many people do it. But most of those people are not huge stars, they are on a small scale. It's the same with rap music, and always has been. The reason why it made so much money was because so many people put out albums, from small to large, and people bought the music. My point is the small scale artists made up the most of those sales, and most of those sales were form blacks or some latins, and only a few whites.

Right, but if Hip Hop generates 10 Billion dollars per year, you can rest assured that the overwhelming majority of those dollars being generated are coming from the handful of top artists that white people do support.

When Jay-Z or Nas go on tour and generate millions of dollars...probably 10s of millions...those dollars are coming from a white fan base, and 2 or 10 artists like that generate more dollars than all the underground artists combined.

 

[No Sleep]

His momma is probably like 29. He hasn't been informed to know any better.

WAIT A GOD DAM MINUTE...

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF HIM IN THERE ACTING LIKE THAT?

 

[bouncy]

Even if you're right, I'm pretty sure there's a rap department at Epic. You would think they would have blacks handling that, not a boardroom full of whites. It's no excuse. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, FAMU spit out 10,000 kids every year but, it's all whites next to LA Reid. Why are they there?

No rap departments, "Urban" departments. That includes r&b. Music industry allows anyone in, and that means, if your mother knows me, I can give you a gig. If you have a college degree, it makes us look even more professional but, the truth is we have no fukking clue what we are doing, whatever we see is popular, and doesn't ruffle any feathers(so no political stuff or making people think) then we will sign it. The days of music lovers actually governing the music that gets signed, are long gone. It's all about looking like coca-cola offices, and conforming for that new forbes magazine cover.

 

[observe]

So let me guess ..black folks aren't supposed to dance when music is playing even if it's in our DNA..those cacs look like sticks just sitting there not trying to have fun,,I bet they do that at the club while nikkas is on the dancefloor having fun

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

i never want to have kids

 

[Tommy Knocks]

But only a few do those numbers. Back in the 90's going gold was what most rappers aspired to because they knew they could make good money from shows, and still have some fame to use to make money from other areas. Going gold meant most of the people who bought your stuff was blacks. If it went platinum, and you didn't sell out to appease mainstream, you know you attracted real music lovers, but again that was rare.

Back to the original point, that means most people who are rap fans aren't whites. I doubt Young thug is getting all this attention because whites was his fans. I doubt Cash Money blowing up in the 90's was because whites were their biggest fans. I could go on, and on. When the media says rap is a _billion dollar industry, that includes all those rappers who only sold 10,000-100,000 albums, which are a lot of people, and who are supporting most of those artists, blacks, some latins, and a few whites.

I dont know about that one playboy, young thug is on fader and complex and a simple look at his rich gang concerts you see a demographics.......

90s was different, but this is 20 year later and shyt has changed quite a bit. the indie dudes are being carried by the white audience for sure. OF, Lil B, Action Bronson, I can list a grrrrrrrip. Iggy is on her way to Nicki status whom btw got her big boost catering to the teenie bopper crew with her blonde wigs.

a rappers goal is to blow, and in order to do that they surely know where to shuck. Waka now makes the majority of his money doing shows in europe....how ironic. even people like Keef are out there doing shows with predominately white audiences.

 

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Right, but if Hip Hop generates 10 Billion dollars per year, you can rest assured that the overwhelming majority of those dollars being generated are coming from the handful of top artists that white people do support.

When Jay-Z or Nas go on tour and generate millions of dollars...probably 10s of millions...those dollars are coming from a white fan base, and 2 or 10 artists like that generate more dollars than all the underground artists combined.

You're not getting what i'm saying. Most of those dollars don't come from Jay-z or nas or whoever is popular that makes millions. Most of the money comes from small scale artists who most of us probably never heard of. And if they are "underground", and doing shows, chances are it is mostly blacks supporting them. You can't have an industry with only a few people. This is the trick that gets most people who do music, and other forms of entertainment. They think they will be the few who make millions, when that isn't the case.

Also, that stat comes from the 90's, and I know for sure, it was mostly blacks, and latins who were true rap fans meaning they listened to popular and underground artists. The whites who were into it were just into who was popular on mtv. We are going back, and forth but, that stat is a half truth, and people keep quoting it but anyone who has been in love with this music since its early days, participated in it, and still loves it, can tell you that stat isn't true, at least the way it's told.

 

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You're not getting what i'm saying. Most of those dollars don't come from Jay-z or nas or whoever is popular that makes millions. Most of the money comes from small scale artists who most of us probably never heard of. And if they are "underground", and doing shows, chances are it is mostly blacks supporting them. You can't have an industry with only a few people. This is the trick that gets most people who do music, and other forms of entertainment. They think they will be the few who make millions, when that isn't the case.

Also, that stat comes from the 90's, and I know for sure, it was mostly blacks, and latins who were true rap fans meaning they listened to popular and underground artists. The whites who were into it were just into who was popular on mtv. We are going back, and forth but, that stat is a half truth, and people keep quoting it but anyone who has been in love with this music since its early days, participated in it, and still loves it, can tell you that stat isn't true, at least the way it's told.

You're gonna need to cite some stats then to prove it.



Unless you're going to call into question Forbes' integrity.

Hip-hop has grown well beyond the urban market since the genre’s first hit, “Rapper’s Delight,” was released in 1979. SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80% of whom are white. According to SLMG’s research, this group has $1 trillion in spending power. The Russell Simmons’ empire is well placed to garner a big chunk of that.

http://www.forbes.com/2004/02/18/cx_jw_0218hiphop.html

 

[Wild self]

So let me guess ..black folks aren't supposed to dance when music is playing even if it's in our DNA..those cacs look like sticks just sitting there not trying to have fun,,I bet they do that at the club while nikkas is on the dancefloor having fun

Nah, the dances of old like the electric slide is choreographic, these new dances are feminine and degrading.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

 

[DIMES]

But only a few do those numbers. Back in the 90's going gold was what most rappers aspired to because they knew they could make good money from shows, and still have some fame to use to make money from other areas. Going gold meant most of the people who bought your stuff was blacks. If it went platinum, and you didn't sell out to appease mainstream, you know you attracted real music lovers, but again that was rare.

Back to the original point, that means most people who are rap fans aren't whites. I doubt Young thug is getting all this attention because whites was his fans. I doubt Cash Money blowing up in the 90's was because whites were their biggest fans. I could go on, and on. When the media says rap is a _billion dollar industry, that includes all those rappers who only sold 10,000-100,000 albums, which are a lot of people, and who are supporting most of those artists, blacks, some latins, and a few whites.

rap is bigger than blacks in the young audience now. I know plently of whites,Asians, indians and whatever listening to young thug and migos all that shyt.

 

[bouncy]

I dont know about that one playboy, young thug is on fader and complex and a simple look at his rich gang concerts you see a demographics.......

90s was different, but this is 20 year later and shyt has changed quite a bit. the indie dudes are being carried by the white audience for sure. OF, Lil B, Action Bronson, I can list a grrrrrrrip. Iggy is on her way to Nicki status whom btw got her big boost catering to the teenie bopper crew with her blonde wigs.

a rappers goal is to blow, and in order to do that they surely know where to shuck. Waka now makes the majority of his money doing shows in europe....how ironic. even people like Keef are out there doing shows with predominately white audiences.

He is popular now, but he's been out, and being known in the south. That example is proving my point. Once rappers get popular, and doing well with blacks, then whites jump on them, and now they are popular making millions. That doesn't mean he had no fans, and was broke before all the recognition now.

You named certain indies, it was the same way then. Certain whites loveed certain indie acts. Those acts you name, I don't no many blacks who like them, save Action Bronson, and some who like lil b but they just want to be different. I never hear his shyt being bumped from the little guys I know, at least on the regular.

A rappers goal is to make money but, you don't have to sell your soul to do it. Why do you think people was having issues with puffy? Its because in their eyes he watered down the music to sell more units. Why do you think when Jay-z did it with "in my lifetime vol.2" he LOST his core fans, even though he sold more units. He realized, he had to go back to the people who made him who he was, then did "the streets is watching"dvd. That dvd alone brought him back home, and helped others take notice, and that helped push the album after that to sell millions. Jay, and nas are different because they didn't sell out as much as puff did. Nas really didn't and we can see his albums mostly stay gold or platinum, but he is still doing well, and making money off of shows. You don't have to shuck, and jive, to make money if you have talent, and a good team around you. Southern Artist was making money, and they had damn near no whites supporting them.

I just think how you were raised, that dictates if you don't mind selling out, and if it bothers you. People like Jay, and Nas, were more street but still had intelligence which is why to them selling out was being soft, and straight ignorant(c00n). Whereas a lot of other rappers, compete with their own people, and look down on their own subconsciusly so doing the bobby schmurder routine, doesn't bother them. Like young thug said when asked about Mike Brown,"we getting iced out, we don't speak on that"

 

[DIMES]

i never want to have kids

obvously that kid was taught that by ratchet demons

 

[bouncy]

You're gonna need to cite some stats then to prove it.



Unless you're going to call into question Forbes' integrity.

Hip-hop has grown well beyond the urban market since the genre’s first hit, “Rapper’s Delight,” was released in 1979. SLMG says its customer base is the 45 million hip-hop consumers between the ages of 13 and 34, 80% of whom are white. According to SLMG’s research, this group has $1 trillion in spending power. The Russell Simmons’ empire is well placed to garner a big chunk of that.

http://www.forbes.com/2004/02/18/cx_jw_0218hiphop.html

You are going by a company who is selling the fact that whites are consumers to help them make more money. Russel is known to say the term "spend other peoples money", so of course he would have that quote happen, he needs investors. BTW, that article was in 2004, when sales were going down, so I can really see him using that to get more investors.

This is more about the company:
http://www.rushcommunications.com/entertainment/simmons-lathan-group/


"Simmons-Lathan Media Group LLC produces, acquires, and distributes original urban/hip-hop themed media content. It provides fiction and non-fiction film, television, radio, Internet, and theatrical productions.


SLMG is a partnership between Russell Simmons and Stan Lathan, both highly successful producers in film and television. For the past 2 decades the partnership has played a significant role in bringing the best urban entertainment with mass appeal to the small and large screen.

Simmons and Lathan launched the hugely successful Def Comedy Jam, and Def Poetry series. Credits and discoveries include comedians Martin Lawrence, Cedric the Entertainer, Chris Tucker, Steve Harvey, Bernie Mac, and the comedy blockbuster “The Nutty Professor”.

SLMG has more than a dozen projects in production in partnership with HBO. The company is based in Los Angeles, California."



Don't let bullshyt artists, bullshyt you! Respect to russell though, if he can get a sucker, I guess he got 'em.

Ask yourself this. How would they know out of 45 million people, 80% were white when I never heard of anyone I know taking a hip hop survey in the early 2000's or throughout the 90's. Record stores didn't do it, so how did they come up with that percentage? If they said this now, I will kind of believe it because the way the internet is shaped you can get more info out of your customers, but back then that was unheard of.

I have a feeling they got that number based on where the majority of their sales came from as far as stores in certain areas but, that is a poor way to do it because I always stayed in black neighborhoods but a lot of times I bought music in malls or music stores that were in commercial districts or where the majority of the people were white. I knew others who did the same. I think they assumed a "mom's & pop's" store meant black sales if ti was in a black neighborhood, and a larger retailer or a store in a white neighborhood meant white sales. A poorly done study(if it was ever done) that keeps getting mentioned since the 90's.

 

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rap is bigger than blacks in the young audience now. I know plently of whites,Asians, indians and whatever listening to young thug and migos all that shyt.

AGAIN, I never said they don't listen to rap, I posted they are not rap fans. In other words, they like whats popular now. Once the shyt dies down, and country becomes popular, they are listening to that. I seen it happen many times before. They call it going through a phase. Only a few are truly rap fans, and in fact, in this era, there are only a few people, regardless of race who are music fans. Most just listen to what they think is popular or going to be popular. They aren't real music fans. This is why they don't take the music serious. they don't care about who made it, besides the rapper, they don't care if it sounds clean, and clear, even though you have way more access to cheap headphones, that allow you to hear it like this. They don't even care if the artists is getting money because they download illegally. When I learned that bootleggers weren't paying the artists I stopped the shyt. Along with the quality not being that good. If I had the money I supported because I wanted to see the artist do well.