This is the glorious "genius" Rick Rubin yall been talking about?

[JamesJabdi]

Bruh what the hell you think Puffy is?

A multi platinum selling artist with one of the biggest hits in hip hop history

 

[old pig]

What he means is "I have the ability to explain to white men,why this black music will appeal to white youth. So that they will put money behind it and make it so"


Nothing more and nothing less really. Truthfully Ive spotted more talent before they blew up than Rick Rubin. If only I was in the right circles and knew white people music back in the day. All you gotta say is shyt like "I'm telling you Mark, T.I and this trap music thing? It reminds me of retro Sound Garden ,fortified with the rawness of black pain and an urban twist"


Mark-"omg,I can totally see it! Heres 2 million dollars."



In other words hes a bum and a grifter,and not one of the true geniuses of the culture.

LOL!!!

 

[breakfuss]

A multi platinum selling artist with one of the biggest hits in hip hop history

I never said he wasn’t an amazing showman . An accomplished musician he is not. “The Hitmen” collective are responsible for those records.

 

[O.Red]

Man, Timbaland/Missy, Neptunes, Mike Will, Kanye, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, Boi-1da, 40, etc. have done so much for pop music's sound that's still relevant today.

Almost all the low filter, downsampled pop that took over was from the Toronto sound 40 and Boi-1da came up with. Where would Billie Eilish's sound be without them two doing what they did?

But yup, it's like folks never mention these people.

I still haven't seen anybody mention how Sounwave has credits on Taylor Swift's recent album.

Also people rarely mention Rami Yacoub when someone brings up Max Martin although they've been working together since 1998 (around Britney Spears' debut).

Who's fault is that? It seems like the issue is white people pedestalising their people and you being mad they're not pedestalising ours.

How much more y'all need to see to realize that's what white people do?

Everything you said is correct but if nobody is mentioning these people to your satisfaction maybe YOU should be the one doing it

Black people don't curate or codify things then get mad when someone does it for them, usually at the exclusion of prominent black pioneers of said art. Why when I get on YouTube it's only white people breaking down MF Doom rhyme patterns or analysing the meaning of Andre 3000s verses?

I get some of your complaints but this thread is a whine fest over a nikka that REALLY doesn't even get discussed like that nikkas posting YouTube links revering Rubin but black folks could just as easily do the same with the people we revere

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Who's fault is that? It seems like the issue is white people pedestalising their people and you being mad they're not pedestalising ours.

How much more y'all need to see to realize that's what white people do?

Everything you said is correct but if nobody is mentioning these people to your satisfaction maybe YOU should be the one doing it

Black people don't curate or codify things then get mad when someone does it for them, usually at the exclusion of prominent black pioneers of said art. Why when I get on YouTube it's only white people breaking down MF Doom rhyme patterns or analysing the meaning of Andre 3000s verses?

I get some of your complaints but this thread is a whine fest over a nikka that REALLY doesn't even get discussed like that nikkas posting YouTube links revering Rubin but black folks could just as easily do the same with the people we revere

I mean if people actually worked with Jam & Lewis instead of just biting their shyt then you’ll never know. Them dudes are still producing and they’re still great. I actually think they’re getting the flowers they deserve too. I’ve seen them a lot in the past couple years honestly.

 

[Piff Perkins]

A multi platinum selling artist with one of the biggest hits in hip hop history

He's also a producer who can't make a beat to save his life. Production doesn't just mean making a beat. It means advising an artist on how to say their vocals, telling them to add something, remove something, re-do something, guide melodies, etc. Quincy Jones didn't make a beat or write music for Michael Jackson either. That's not what producers do outside of hip hop, where when we think producer we think "guy who made the beat." Motown producers weren't writing all or most of the music either.

Producers are also there to prevent certain bands from fighting, create positive vibes, and get the record completed. Rubin has done that from rock to metal to country. A guy that can do 99 Problems while simultaneously doing shyt like this...



...is pretty good at their job.

 

[Luxury Tax]

 

[O.Red]

I mean if people actually worked with Jam & Lewis instead of just biting their shyt then you’ll never know. Them dudes are still producing and they’re still great. I actually think they’re getting the flowers they deserve too. I’ve seen them a lot in the past couple years honestly.

I reject that. Your overall point is true but the context of this thread is largely whining about shyt not being done for us

Earlier in the thread someone posted this video



What's stopping anyone black, in or out this thread, from curating historical information and making this same video about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, or Teddy Riley, or Dj Paul and Juicy J???

I get black folks being upset about not getting the credit they deserve, but often we don't even give ourselves the credit

Cacs are CONSTANTLY curating and codifying shyt because the fruits of curation and codification are you having a tangible historical footprint. A footprint that walks over folk tales and oral traditions

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

That shyt sounded raw

Those songs were already 10+ years old when he was shopping them. They

This is the old producers fault to be honest. Them nikkas usually "wash" themselves

On many occasions I've seen hip hop producers try to coast off their hot era for the rest of their life and end up pricing themselves out the game. They become old and stubborn and often frustrated that nikkas don't treat them like gods anymore. They fail to adapt and embrace the youth and get forgotten by history

Who are the young artist Timbaland's working with? He does that "Nikkas can't afford me" shyt while he fades into obscurity. Mannie Fresh said out his own mouth that nikkas can't afford him and it's no surprise I haven't heard a new Mannie Fresh beat in about 15 years

Successful black artists isolate themselves from everyone then become curmudgeons because nikkas don't bow everytime they enter a room

Meanwhile Pharrell is constantly seeking out and working with newer artists and is treated like the god these other nikkas wish they were

Things work best when we all work together. Snoop Dogg introduced younger generations to Charlie Wilson, Kanye and eventually Tyler The Creator began using Charlie Wilson in their work. Now 22 year olds know who Charlie Wilson is. None of this would happen if Charlie was one of them "y'all owe me because I was great" ass nikkas

You think Rick cut his prices to get work?

Timbaland work with a lot of artists his placements haven't made noise in a while and they don't stand out like they used to. Pharrell still has a signature sound

I reject that. Your overall point is true but the context of this thread is largely whining about shyt not being done for us

Earlier in the thread someone posted this video



What's stopping anyone black, in or out this thread, from curating historical information and making this same video about Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, or Teddy Riley, or Dj Paul and Juicy J???

I get black folks being upset about not getting the credit they deserve, but often we don't even give ourselves the credit

Cacs are CONSTANTLY curating and codifying shyt because the fruits of curation and codification are you having a tangible historical footprint. A footprint that walks over folk tales and oral traditions

When a corporation like Nike come knocking with money to spend it should not be Rick Rubin getting called up first to bat for hip hop, that's not on us. I'm give credit where it is due and call it out where it isn't deserved. It's not whining it's setting the record straight. Forums are about discussion. If I was going to make content I'd be a content creator. I'm gonna discuss shyt. Call it whining if you want.

Pharrell stayed relevant as a fashion icon even after his music placements dried up for a while. He peddles cool on a multi medium level to reduce him to just another producer is bogus. Every producer does not need to be all these other things in order to stay relevant. Why is Rick Rubin still a topic what is he doing to stay relevant?

 

[Digital Omen]

In other words hes a bum and a grifter,and not one of the true geniuses of the culture.

Call the guy that co-created one of, if not THE most storied labels in Hip Hop and put on LL, the Beasties, and PUBLIC ENEMY (!) a bum and grifter brehs

 

[50CentStan]

Yt joo privilege at its finest.

 

[IIVI]

Who's fault is that? It seems like the issue is white people pedestalising their people and you being mad they're not pedestalising ours.

How much more y'all need to see to realize that's what white people do?

Everything you said is correct but if nobody is mentioning these people to your satisfaction maybe YOU should be the one doing it

Black people don't curate or codify things then get mad when someone does it for them, usually at the exclusion of prominent black pioneers of said art. Why when I get on YouTube it's only white people breaking down MF Doom rhyme patterns or analysing the meaning of Andre 3000s verses?

I get some of your complaints but this thread is a whine fest over a nikka that REALLY doesn't even get discussed like that nikkas posting YouTube links revering Rubin but black folks could just as easily do the same with the people we revere

Breh, I just mentioned them cats. I literally gave the run down and named names: Timbaland, Neptunes, Mike Will, Boi-1da, 40, Mustard, etc.

If anything, I was the first one in this thread to mention other Black producers (I know 40 and Rami Yacoub ain't, but nonetheless).

I am doing the work.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Rick Rubin is a rock producer turned Hip-Hop. There’s nothing wrong with that it’s just in the sense of what we know a true beat maker to be, Rick Rubin is not. He orchestrates and helms records. As you could see when he was working with Jay-Z just helping line the track up properly. Not that Jay-Z needs help with that but when you work with Rick Rubin that’s what you’re expecting is that outside perspective that might really take a track to the next level.

 

[Diunx]

So OP all the hits under his name are just coincidences?

 

[O.Red]

Breh, I just mentioned them cats. I literally gave the run down and named names: Timbaland, Neptunes, Mike Will, Boi-1da, 40, Mustard, etc.

If anything, I was the first one in this thread to mention other Black producers (I know 40 and Rami Yacoub ain't, but nonetheless).

I am doing the work.

Mentioning them in a conversation on a message board is not curation or codification. Thats the part y'all are missing. You said yourself you have an issue with those names rarely being mentioned. Bringing them up in conversation is fine but it hardly qualifies as "doing the work" when compared with the thing you're complaining about

The point is if you're waiting for white people to boost and catalogue these names you're gonna keep waiting. They're too busy boosting their own, and yes it's usually on the back of our works

Again codification matters and white people understand this intimately. That's why they spend so much time naming things and rewriting history