This is the Most Accurate Post-Jordan NBA Top 10 Player Rankings
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BlvdBrawler
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Top-3 are pretty interchangeable.
I'd put Garnett over Wade.
As great as he was, TMAC doesn't belong on this list, imo.
Durant remains overrated.
Goatpoacher
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This is where you are wrong. KG is valuable on any team. Dirk is valuable on certain teams. YOu think that Celtics team would have been so dominant defensively with Dirk instead of KG?
I don't understand the logic of picking a pure scorer over a multi-dimensional player. If Dirk played the bare minimum of defense, that would be one thing. But the gap in offensive is small and the gap in defense is massive.
Besides, if KG was on the 2007 team, they would not have lost to the 8th seed
This is where you are wrong. KG is valuable on any team. Dirk is valuable on certain teams. YOu think that Celtics team would have been so dominant defensively with Dirk instead of KG?
I don't understand the logic of picking a pure scorer over a multi-dimensional player. If Dirk played the bare minimum of defense, that would be one thing. But the gap in offensive is small and the gap in defense is massive.
Besides, if KG was on the 2007 team, they would not have lost to the 8th seed
if KG was on that 2007 team they woulda been in the lottery not a 67 win team
The one year KG had help he took Minny to the WCF and lost to the Lakers. Sam and Sprewell didn't even play in that series.
spree played. cassell missed the last 2 games injured and it still went 6.
Goatpoacher
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if KG was on that 2007 team they woulda been in the lottery not a 67 win team
This is an incomplete hypothetical. PLease explain why replacing Dirk with KG would have caused such a drastic decline in wins. If you're just going to make bald assertions, then there's no point in discussing this further. If you can explain why you believe that team would drop off by 20-25 wins, please go ahead.
This is one of the worst posts I've ever read on The Coli.I forgot about Dirk' 2006 finals appearance. But let's not forget that he got shut down by Haslem and missed two critical free throws in Game 3 in crunch time.
Fact remains that KG is worth more to a team than Dirk. You are caught up in nonsense about "number 1 or number 2" options. If you watched KG in his prime you saw a player that could effectively guard EVERY position, a player that could pressure full-court, set screens in the back court and was a presence defensively. Even at his old age KG's defensive presence is felt.
Since they are close in offensive productivity, but KG is an infinitely better defender, this is an easy call for me.
PS: Stephen Jackson shut down dirk in the playoffs.
Oh, you mean in 2007 in the 1st round when he averaged 19.7PPG and 11.3RBG?
Or are you talking about the 2006 Finals where he averaged 22.8PPG and 10.8RBG?
You're trying to shyt on Dirk for coming up short in the Finals? Is that a joke? Kevin Garnett couldn't even get to the Finals without Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, and Doc Rivers.
Those years Dirk was getting "shut down," what in the fukk was KG doing? If you want to use 2007, fine. But even in 2006, Dirk carried his squad against the Spurs and Suns. Dude dropped 50-10 in a WCF game. Something KG hasn't even sniffed...
No, seriously, where the fukk was KG during ANY of this? Please tell me when KG DIDN'T come up short in the playoffs. Please tell me when KG's amazing defense and "close offensive productivity" ever did shyt for him before he got to play with 3 All-Stars.
Here, let me educate you.
LETS NOT FORGET DIRK'S PLAYOFF NUMBERS ARE ON ANOTHER LEVEL COMPARED TO THIS COMPLIMENTARY PLAYER KG The numbers Dirk put up in his WORST year (2007) are still better then several of Garnett's years...
Dirk's Defensive Rebounds: 8.7 per game
KG's Defensive Rebounds: 8.8 per game
Dirk doesn't get offensive boards because he's having to carry his team's offensive load by shooting the ball from anywhere out to 25 feet. Meanwhile, KG can stand at the basket while Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, or Rajon Rondo go to work.
If you watched KG in his prime, you saw a player CONSTANTLY getting shyt on by Duncan and Dirk, both on a team and individual level Fact of the matter is all the KG supporters are the ones caught up in nonsense. The dumbass belief that 1 man's superior defense has any real tangible value on winning games and achieving the highest level of accomplishments in the NBA. Did you see the 2006 Finals? Did you see Jordan play? Did you see some of Kobe's ridiculous games? Offensive output and efficiency is FAAAAR more valuable than any dude playing strong defense. And the fact Dirk grabs just as many defensive rebounds and both spaces the floor and creates open shots and easy opportunities for his teammates makes him ridiculously more valuable than KG. Dirk + Tyson >>>> KG + scorer (he had multiple 18+ PPG scorers throughout his career, but you probably wouldn't know that.)
Just look at those numbers in recent years. Dirk's averaging some of the best numbers of his entire career, north of 25-10.
Meanwhile KG is... well, you see how KG's doing in the playoffs these recent years.
It's a good thing he got traded to Boston or else this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
Meanwhile KG is... well, you see how KG's doing in the playoffs these recent years.
It's a good thing he got traded to Boston or else this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
Goatpoacher
Superstar
This is one of the worst posts I've ever read on The Coli.
At least you're honest about yourself
So let's get a few things clear:
1. KG sucks for needing Pierce and Allen, but Dirk gets away even though he failed with NASH AND FINLEY IN THEIR PRIMES
2. KG sucks because he was outplayed by dirk and duncan, but Dirk gets away with being shut down by Haslem and Stephen Jackson.
3. KG choked because he was a lower seed, but Dirk missing free throws in game 3 against miami and being shut down by an 8th seed in 2007 is acceptable.
4. Dirk doesn't have time for offensive rebounds!
KG had one good team during his prime. He was already slowed down when he joined the Celtics. He got an over the hill Sprewell and Cassel and his team beasted. He would have likely made the finals.
On the other hand you make excuses for Dirk because he played with "eric Dampier" and Jason Terry. Jason Terry was a beast in Atlanta and was damn good until recent years. Eric Dampier was, sadly, one of the best centers in the league when the mavs had him. The mavs also had players like Devin Harris who was damn good in 2006.
I hope you aren't saying that Dirk's mavericks were ever as bad as KG's timberwolves.
Oh, you mean in 2007 in the 1st round when he averaged 19.7PPG and 11.3RBG?
Or are you talking about the 2006 Finals where he averaged 22.8PPG and 10.8RBG?
You're trying to shyt on Dirk for coming up short in the Finals? Is that a joke? Kevin Garnett couldn't even get to the Finals without Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, and Doc Rivers.
Those years Dirk was getting "shut down," what in the fukk was KG doing? If you want to use 2007, fine. But even in 2006, Dirk carried his squad against the Spurs and Suns. Dude dropped 50-10 in a WCF game. Something KG hasn't even sniffed...
No, seriously, where the fukk was KG during ANY of this? Please tell me when KG DIDN'T come up short in the playoffs. Please tell me when KG's amazing defense and "close offensive productivity" ever did shyt for him before he got to play with 3 All-Stars.
Here, let me educate you.
LETS NOT FORGET DIRK'S PLAYOFF NUMBERS ARE ON ANOTHER LEVEL COMPARED TO THIS COMPLIMENTARY PLAYER KG The numbers Dirk put up in his WORST year (2007) are still better then several of Garnett's years...
Dirk's Defensive Rebounds: 8.7 per game
KG's Defensive Rebounds: 8.8 per game
Dirk doesn't get offensive boards because he's having to carry his team's offensive load by shooting the ball from anywhere out to 25 feet. Meanwhile, KG can stand at the basket while Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, or Rajon Rondo go to work.
If you watched KG in his prime, you saw a player CONSTANTLY getting shyt on by Duncan and Dirk, both on a team and individual level Fact of the matter is all the KG supporters are the ones caught up in nonsense. The dumbass belief that 1 man's superior defense has any real tangible value on winning games and achieving the highest level of accomplishments in the NBA. Did you see the 2006 Finals? Did you see Jordan play? Did you see some of Kobe's ridiculous games? Offensive output and efficiency is FAAAAR more valuable than any dude playing strong defense. And the fact Dirk grabs just as many defensive rebounds and both spaces the floor and creates open shots and easy opportunities for his teammates makes him ridiculously more valuable than KG. Dirk + Tyson >>>> KG + scorer (he had multiple 18+ PPG scorers throughout his career, but you probably wouldn't know that.)
This is one of the worst posts I've ever read on The Coli.
Impressive posting here.
Goatpoacher
Superstar
Just look at those numbers in recent years. Dirk's averaging some of the best numbers of his entire career, north of 25-10.
Meanwhile KG is... well, you see how KG's doing in the playoffs these recent years.
It's a good thing he got traded to Boston or else this discussion wouldn't even be happening.
Yeah, it's like KG is 3 years older or something.
This is where you are wrong. KG is valuable on any team. Dirk is valuable on certain teams. YOu think that Celtics team would have been so dominant defensively with Dirk instead of KG?
I don't understand the logic of picking a pure scorer over a multi-dimensional player. If Dirk played the bare minimum of defense, that would be one thing. But the gap in offensive is small and the gap in defense is massive.
Besides, if KG was on the 2007 team, they would not have lost to the 8th seed
*Looks at posts above*Yeah, you right. Gap in offense is "small"
Especially when it's playoffs, it's halfcourt offense, every situation is magnified and under intense pressure, they're sending double teams and gameplanning around stopping Dirk, and he's still shytting on KG's offensive output.If KG was on the 2007 team, they don't win 67 games. Hell, they might not even win 40 games and miss the playoffs altogether.
If KG was on those Mavs teams, they'd never have reached WCFs and Finals appearances, and instead just bowed out of the playoffs in the 1st and 2nd round continuously.In true KG fashion
Let's be real, people are picking KG over Dirk because he's black and yells a lot. If you pick Kobe over Duncan our friendship will be strained, but I won't question whether or not you're crazy, if you pick KG over Dirk you have no reasoning behind it and you're just crazy.
Dirk has done more with less and led a team to a title as the unquestioned number 1.
Dirk has done more with less and led a team to a title as the unquestioned number 1.
Goatpoacher
Superstar
As I asked KIM, please explain specifically how replacing Dirk with KG would result in a net loss of 27 games.
Go ahead.
Be specific.