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[2Quik4UHoes]

Hol the fukk up I just realized something, so we just gon excuse that robbery of Jason Kidd's MVP in '02? Get duncan name out my face, nikka. He wasn't seein GOAT franchise that year we had to separate the real from the skirt. The Dynasty vs the real MVP in the Finals that year. duncan #1 ?

 

[PTBG]

Pierce over Kidd?

Just noticed that. *fixed I can see why some will put Pierce>Kidd due to Pierce winning that FMVP, and Kidd got one as a role player. But, yea prime to prime, Kidd gets the nod.

 

[Lakerman0834]

I never said, but don't downplay Dirk's supporting cast to make him look better. That's corny.

KG with that same supporting cast and 1st round exit

 

[AlldayNE]

KG>>>>>Dirk easily and this is coming from someone who watched Dirk for the majority of his career. I remember watching those teams with Nash, Finley, Van Exel, Howard, etc. When Bradley and Dirk formed the softed group of 7'0" players of all time. Yeah, dont give me that Dirk being better than KG shyt, that's just stupid. Dirk was basically a jump shooter who got the ball after trailing every play, he plays no D(even today), For those saying KG was getting bounced out in the first round, what do you think Dirk was doing all those years with Nash, and Finley(two all stars might I add), correct, he was getting knocked out in the second round. Only made it to the conference finals once. KG overall as a player is way better than Dirk has ever been

 

[Lakerman0834]

"Eric Dampier was one of the best centers in the league" - @Skippy Allah

 

[Goatpoacher]

I'm still wondering where I said that. Since you won't bother reading anything, I'll add this:

"Dirk is a better defender than KG" - COdeine Fiend dreams.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

KG>>>>>Dirk easily and this is coming from someone who watched Dirk for the majority of his career. I remember watching those teams with Nash, Finley, Van Exel, Howard, etc. When Bradley and Dirk formed the softed group of 7'0" players of all time. Yeah, dont give me that Dirk being better than KG shyt, that's just stupid. Dirk was basically a jump shooter who got the ball after trailing every play, he plays no D(even today), For those saying KG was getting bounced out in the first round, what do you think Dirk was doing all those years with Nash, and Finley(two all stars might I add), correct, he was getting knocked out in the second round. Only made it to the conference finals once. KG overall as a player is way better than Dirk has ever been

You realize that Dirk Nowtizki has played in the NBA post 2003-2004, right?

Convenient you discuss the early stages of his career. The 2006 Finals appearance and 67 win season in 2006-2007 never happened, right? Neither did the 2011 Finals... 2002-2005 was prime Kevin Garnett, before the knee problems and aging, when he still had his athleticism and teammates scoring more than 15+ PPG. Prime Dirk didn't show up until 2004-2005 season. Obviously Garnett was the better player for this small time period.

Now that you've broken down the early stages of Dirk's career, let us hear your thoughts on post 2004 Dirk. You might even want to discuss his playoff contributions!


Dirk Nowitzki's 2 Finals Appearances and 1 Finals MVP: Jason Terry as his best teammate, with Josh Howard and 38 year old Jason Kidd playing sidekicks at different times
Kevin Garnett's 2 Finals Apperances: Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo as his best teammates.

Clearly one did more with less. I wonder who.

 

[Surreal]

KG ain't seeing Dirk. Don't even need to break it down. Broken down 9/10 years ago.

 

[BlackFeet]

You didn't even read my post did you?

1. Dirk wasn't in his prime those years. Even in 2003 with both of those players, they go to the WCF against the eventual champion Spurs. That's choking, right? What was KG doing in his prime

2. Dirk carrying his team to the Finals and getting "shut down" by scoring over 22PPG >>>>> KG continuously losing in the 1st round. You realize Dirk's team had to win 3 entire series to get to the Finals, right? Like, as in, win 12 games. Things that KG couldn't do over the span of MULTIPLE YEARS Oh, and compare his 2007 Warriors numbers to some of KG years and you see he stays shytting on him, even during his worst Playoffs performance

3. KG letting Dirk average 33 points and 16 rebounds against him in their 2002 1v1 matchup is acceptable. This mother fukker is supposed to be so amazing at "defense?" Where was the defense then?

4. If you understood basketball, you'd realize it's kind of hard to get O-Rebs when you're out 18 feet from the rim having the offense run through you and taking and making shots to keep your team's offense afloat. It's pretty easy to get offensive rebounds when you can stand near the basket while Ray Allen and Paul Pierce take outside jumpers and drive to the rim for the majority of Boston's offensive output. The fact that their D-Reb numbers are almost identical throughout such a large sample size of Playoffs games shows that KG is not anymore effective on the glass than Dirk. And if you STILL want to argue that he is because of his O-Rebs numbers, then while KG is getting those offensive rebounds, Dirk is the one actually putting the ball in the hoop. Scorer >>>> Rebounder


KG had Wally, who if you look at some of his numbers from 2000-2006, produced just as many, IF NOT MORE PPG than Jason Terry. AND he had Sprewell AND he had Cassell.


But you stay making excuses for KG

Now, I'm currently on the fence as far as who I feel is better, not biased in this argument, but I just want to point out the fact that Garnett didn't guard Nowitzki the vast majority of that series, as Nowitzki was a 5 that year. Take from that what u will, but Garnett was not the one guarding Nowitzki those 3 games.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

I can understand the argument that KG is a more well-rounded player than Dirk Nowitzki. If that's what you want to say, I'm more than willing to accept that.

But to say he's a better overal player, you're unequivocally saying that defense = offense in the NBA. And we know that ain't true.

Good offense >>>> Good defense. Every. Damn. Time.

Don't believe me? Go look at clips of MJ. Kobe. LeBron. Dirk. Duncan. Prime Wade. Shaq. KD. You put the best defenders on them, and it still doesn't matter. They'll still geit their 20, 30, 40, sometimes even 50 points. Good defense can't stop good offense, it can only hinder it. And even that sometimes doesn't even happen (Like when Dirk drops 33ppg and 16rpg on KG over the course of 3 games)


Offense is FAAAAAAAR more valuable in the NBA than defense. With that being said, the fact that Dirk is one of the most unguardable players EVER in the NBA makes him more valuable than KG. After looking at their playoff statistics, it's not even a discussion.



You think Wade singlehandedly won the 2006 Finals cause of his defense?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Now, I'm currently on the fence as far as who I feel is better, not biased in this argument, but I just want to point out the fact that Garnett didn't guard Nowitzki the vast majority of that series, as Nowitzki was a 5 that year. Take from that what u will, but Garnett was not the one guarding Nowitzki those 3 games.

Actually, Raef LaFrentz was the starting Center in those games that series.

Seriously, go look at the box scores. You'll see Raef LaFrentz as our C and Rasho Nesterovic as the TWolves starting C.

Which leaves KG at the 4, and Dirk at the 4.



Dirk did play the "5" when they went to smallball, but guess what? Minnesota matched by removing Rasho and playing KG at the 5, so whatever you think happened in that series didn't. Dirk ate KG alive.

You actually think Minnesota was content with having KG guard Raef LaFrentz while Dirk exploded for 33ppg and 16rpg on Rasho Nesterovic?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

If Kevin Garnett can shutdown the Brook Lopez's and Popeye Jones's of the world, but guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Dirk can still drop 30 like it's nothing, how is Garnett's defense making him the better player in this situation?

Like I said, well-rounded, sure. But when he matched up against the BEST, that top-tier defense went out the window and what we saw was him getting outmatched and outplayed by his peers.

Ball don't lie.

 

[AlldayNE]

You realize that Dirk Nowtizki has played in the NBA post 2003-2004, right?

Convenient you discuss the early stages of his career. The 2006 Finals appearance and 67 win season in 2006-2007 never happened, right? Neither did the 2011 Finals... 2002-2005 was prime Kevin Garnett, before the knee problems and aging, when he still had his athleticism and teammates scoring more than 15+ PPG. Prime Dirk didn't show up until 2004-2005 season. Obviously Garnett was the better player for this small time period.

Now that you've broken down the early stages of Dirk's career, let us hear your thoughts on post 2004 Dirk. You might even want to discuss his playoff contributions!


Dirk Nowitzki's 2 Finals Appearances and 1 Finals MVP: Jason Terry as his best teammate, with Josh Howard and 38 year old Jason Kidd playing sidekicks at different times
Kevin Garnett's 2 Finals Apperances: Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo as his best teammates.

Clearly one did more with less. I wonder who.

You mean that 06 Finals appearance where he had Jason Terry, Josh Howard(before the injuries, he made an all star game too), a rejuvenated Stackhouse, and Devin Harris? Same team that finished 1st in the west the very next year and lost to an 8th seed? Lost in the first round the very next year, or do you want to talk about how they got Jason Kidd? Or Shawn Marion, and Caron Butler? Or the year they won and they had Terry, Marion, Barea, Chandler, Kidd, Butler? With Peja playing well in the playoffs? Lets not act like Dirk had no talent around him. Dirk has always had players around him, he just never did shyt with it until 2011, when Lebron came up short like mini me in the finals. We're not going to compare what Dirk had in his prime compared to what KG had in his prime, you'll lose that conversation every single time. Also don't talk to me about Rajon Rondo being on that championship team( I'm a Celtics Fan), up until just 2 or 3 years ago(past KG's prime mind you), no one was giving Rondo credit for being a good player. Now all of a sudden you're telling me he was a beast in 08? Please he was in his 2nd year in those finals.

 

[Goatpoacher]

If Kevin Garnett can shutdown the Brook Lopez's and Popeye Jones's of the world, but guys like Shaq, Duncan, and Dirk can still drop 30 like it's nothing, how is Garnett's defense making him the better player in this situation?

Like I said, well-rounded, sure. But when he matched up against the BEST, that top-tier defense went out the window and what we saw was him getting outmatched and outplayed by his peers.

Ball don't lie.

You really don't know how defense works, do you? Take, for example, a pick n roll. KG, when his man is screening, is one of the best big men in history who could effectively cover on a switch. He was one of the best defenders against Kobe and Tmac in their primes. He was a superb team defender and 1-1 defender and the Celtics are a much better defensive team with him on the court.

Also, why do you keep shytting on Jason Terry? And Josh Howard?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

You mean that 06 Finals appearance where he had Jason Terry, Josh Howard(before the injuries, he made an all star game too), a rejuvenated Stackhouse, and Devin Harris? Same team that finished 1st in the west the very next year and lost to an 8th seed? Lost in the first round the very next year, or do you want to talk about how they got Jason Kidd? Or Shawn Marion, and Caron Butler? Or the year they won and they had Terry, Marion, Barea, Chandler, Kidd, Butler? With Peja playing well in the playoffs? Lets not act like Dirk had no talent around him. Dirk has always had players around him, he just never did shyt with it until 2011, when Lebron came up short like mini me in the finals. We're not going to compare what Dirk had in his prime compared to what KG had in his prime, you'll lose that conversation every single time. Also don't talk to me about Rajon Rondo being on that championship team( I'm a Celtics Fan), up until just 2 or 3 years ago(past KG's prime mind you), no one was giving Rondo credit for being a good player. Now all of a sudden you're telling me he was a beast in 08? Please he was in his 2nd year in those finals.

So you're telling me you'd take Jason Terry, Josh Howard, ancient Jerry Stackhouse, and Devin Harris over Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, and Kendrick Perkins?

That's what you're saying, right? That Dirk's team was better?

Did you watch basketball in 2010-2011? Honestly? Cause if you did, please tell me how many games Caron Butler played in during the championship season.

Spoiler

Less than 30 because he tore his ACL in JANUARY

And Jason Kidd was 38 years old during that Finals run. 38 years old.




Nah, but you right. Terry, Howard, Stackhouse, and Harris is better than Rondo, Pierce, Allen, and Perkins :