This is the Most Accurate Post-Jordan NBA Top 10 Player Rankings

[Codeine Bryant]

You really don't know how defense works, do you? Take, for example, a pick n roll. KG, when his man is screening, is one of the best big men in history who could effectively cover on a switch. He was one of the best defenders against Kobe and Tmac in their primes. He was a superb team defender and 1-1 defender and the Celtics are a much better defensive team with him on the court.

Also, why do you keep shytting on Jason Terry? And Josh Howard?

Why you guys keep discounting Ray Allen (better than Jason Terry those years), Paul Pierce (astronomically better than Josh Howard), Kendrick Perkins (better than any other player on the Mavs 06 roster), and Rajon Rondo (who was probably '06 Devin Harris's equal, if not better)?

You want to point out all of the help Dirk had during his runs, but ignore the mother fukking PRIME All-Stars KG played with in Boston to accomplish the same thing.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Also, the year Dirk went out in the 1st round in 2007, his numbers in that GSW are on par with KG's entire playoff averages.

What does that say about KG when Dirk's worst shyt ever is equal to KG's average?

And the following year when Dallas got bounced in the 1st round to New Orleans, Dirk averaged 26.6ppg, 12rpg, 4apg, 1.4bpg.


You guys should at least make an attempt at doing some sort of research before you attempt to enter a discussion like this

 

[Codeine Bryant]

We have people in this thread arguing that Paul Pierce is a Top 10 player post Michael Jordan and you guys want to tell me that Dirk had more help than KG during his runs?

 

[AlldayNE]

So you're telling me you'd take Jason Terry, Josh Howard, ancient Jerry Stackhouse, and Devin Harris over Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Rajon Rondo, and Kendrick Perkins?

That's what you're saying, right? That Dirk's team was better?

Did you watch basketball in 2010-2011? Honestly? Cause if you did, please tell me how many games Caron Butler played in during the championship season.

Spoiler

Less than 30 because he tore his ACL in JANUARY

And Jason Kidd was 38 years old during that Finals run. 38 years old.




Nah, but you right. Terry, Howard, Stackhouse, and Harris is better than Rondo, Pierce, Allen, and Perkins :

Dirk was in his Prime in both those Finals. Aint nobody give a fukk if Jason Kidd was 38 nikka, he was still affective in the playoffs? You gonna try an tell me wasn't? Was Dirk not surrounded by some of the best shooters in the league? Or am I missing that finals series not being on of the best shooting displays by an entire team? Neither Pierce, Ray, or KG we're in their prime for 08, . You lost any and all credit bringing up Kendrick Perkins. I like how you dismissed Dirk having, Chandler, Barea, Marion, and Terry all playing well. Chandler gave that team a defensive mindset, because lord knows they couldn't protect the rim with just Dirk. Marion guarded Lebron that whole series, Terry was averaging 17 ppg in the playoffs. Peja gave them 2 3s per game in the playoffs. Need more? Or did you not watch basketball that year? Because I did, and I know what I saw.

If we're talking Prime, KG >>>>>> Dirk and it's not even close.

 

[AlldayNE]

We have people in this thread arguing that Paul Pierce is a Top 10 player post Michael Jordan and you guys want to tell me that Dirk had more help than KG during his runs?

Are we not talking Prime? Because everyone knows KG, Paul, and Ray came together after their prime

 

[BlackFeet]

Actually, Raef LaFrentz was the starting Center in those games that series.

Seriously, go look at the box scores. You'll see Raef LaFrentz as our C and Rasho Nesterovic as the TWolves starting C.

Which leaves KG at the 4, and Dirk at the 4.



Dirk did play the "5" when they went to smallball, but guess what? Minnesota matched by removing Rasho and playing KG at the 5, so whatever you think happened in that series didn't. Dirk ate KG alive.

You actually think Minnesota was content with having KG guard Raef LaFrentz while Dirk exploded for 33ppg and 16rpg on Rasho Nesterovic?

Look @ the footage of those games young friend, u will see Garnett didn't guard Nowtizki most of the time.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Dirk was in his Prime in both those Finals. Aint nobody give a fukk if Jason Kidd was 38 nikka, he was still affective in the playoffs? You gonna try an tell me wasn't? Was Dirk not surrounded by some of the best shooters in the league? Or am I missing that finals series not being on of the best shooting displays by an entire team? Neither Pierce, Ray, or KG we're in their prime for 08, . You lost any and all credit bringing up Kendrick Perkins. I like how you dismissed Dirk having, Chandler, Barea, Marion, and Terry all playing well. Chandler gave that team a defensive mindset, because lord knows they couldn't protect the rim with just Dirk. Marion guarded Lebron that whole series, Terry was averaging 17 ppg in the playoffs. Peja gave them 2 3s per game in the playoffs. Need more? Or did you not watch basketball that year? Because I did, and I know what I saw.

If we're talking Prime, KG >>>>>> Dirk and it's not even close.

Right, but Chandler, Marion, Terry, and Kidd were all in their prime in 2011.

You bring up Chandler, but say I lose credibility for talking about Kendrick Perkins? What the fukk is wrong with you. We're talking about big men protecting the rim and guarding the paint... Are you stupid?

You're right, Jason Terry did drop 17ppg. Tell me how shytty Paul Pierce and Ray Allen were on the offensive end.

I wish I lived in a universe where Paul Pierce and Ray Allen weren't consistently dropping 20 points a game in the playoffs. And KG didn't have one of the best paint-protectors with him. And Rajon Rondo played very well in 2008 and was a borderline top 5 PG in 2010.

You're going to throw out Jason Kidd's 38 years old because he was effective, but when I bring up Rondo you wanna bytch about how he wasn't in his prime. Oh, so when Dirk plays with an aging vet he's a productive player, but when KG plays with a blossoming top 5 PG that ain't shyt?



Name 1 player Dirk ever had during his Finals runs that was equal to Paul Pierce, a guy some people consider a top 10 player post Jordan. Go ahead, I'll wait.

I assume we can chalk Jason Terry and Ray Allen up to a draw. And Kendrick Perkins and Tyson Chandler to a draw, with a slight advantage to Tyson.

You gonna tell me Kidd is better than Rondo? Or Marion better than Pierce?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Are we not talking Prime? Because everyone knows KG, Paul, and Ray came together after their prime

Oh right, I forgot 38 year old Jason Kidd, aging Shawn Marion, and veteran Jason Terry were all in their prime in 2011.

Keep painting it out like Dirk was playing with fresh youngblood All-Stars while KG led some squad to Finals.


Paul Pierce dropped 38 fukking points in Game 5 of the 2008 NBA Finals. That might not be prime, but that's better than any support Dirk Nowitzki ever got.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Dirk Nowitzki's team went the very next season. Meanwhile KG's team went to 3 more ECFs in the next 4 years.

 

[AlldayNE]

Oh right, I forgot 38 year old Jason Kidd, aging Shawn Marion, and veteran Jason Terry were all in their prime in 2011.

Keep painting it out like Dirk was playing with fresh youngblood All-Stars while KG led some squad to Finals.


Paul Pierce dropped 38 fukking points in Game 5 of the 2008 NBA Finals. That might not be prime, but that's better than any support Dirk Nowitzki ever got.

so if we're gonna compare them as a team, Dirk had more help regardless. It doesn't matter who had individual performances. Top to bottom Dirk had the better team period, and DIRK was in his prime. I didn't say any of the other nikkas were in there primes. You just acting like Dirk carried a bunch of bums to the finals and won, that shyt did not happen.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Look @ the footage of those games young friend, u will see Garnett didn't guard Nowtizki most of the time.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200204280MIN.html

Dirk dropped 39 points and grabbed 17 boards, playing 43 minutes.

LaFrentz played 17 minutes, Rasho played 21 minutes.


Kevin Garnett played 40 minutes. Who the fukk was guarding Dirk for the 22 minutes that Rasho wasn't on the floor and Dirk was?

In fact, why don't you tell me who Kevin Garnett was guarding all those minutes that LaFrentz wasn't on the floor. Nash? Finley? Van Exel?

 

[Codeine Bryant]

so if we're gonna compare them as a team, Dirk had more help regardless. It doesn't matter who had individual performances. Top to bottom Dirk had the better team period, and DIRK was in his prime. I didn't say any of the other nikkas were in there primes. You just acting like Dirk carried a bunch of bums to the finals and won, that shyt did not happen.

And you guys acting like KG was on some squad when he won. He had a teammate in Paul Pierce that was better than anybody Dirk ever had during his playoff runs.

Prove me wrong.

Show me somebody on the Mavs from 2005-current that balled out like Paul Pierce. And don't say Jason Terry, cause KG had this guy named Ray Allen.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

It's funny that all the KG supporters come in here with their "opinions" and "memories" but when you look at the numbers, it all points to Dirk doing more with less.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Anyways, I'm done arguing with you clowns. Unless you can provide some actual statistical or factual evidence showing me why KG is better than Dirk other than just saying "defense" over and over again, don't bother posting.

NBA is an offensive man's game. Offense reigns supreme. Offensive players are more valuable players than defensive players. Why do you think Kevin Durant is considered the 2nd best player in the world. Cause of his defense?

 

[Houston911]

Anyways, I'm done arguing with you clowns. Unless you can provide some actual statistical or factual evidence showing me why KG is better than Dirk other than just saying "defense" over and over again, don't bother posting.

NBA is an offensive man's game. Offense reigns supreme. Offensive players are more valuable players than defensive players. Why do you think Kevin Durant is considered the 2nd best player in the world. Cause of his defense?

You better think Dennis rodman was average with this attitude