Goatpoacher
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1. Dirk has also failed with more.
2. Dirk does not play any defense and never has.
I like both players, but KG is far more valuable than dirk.
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1. Dirk has also failed with more.
2. Dirk does not play any defense and never has.
I like both players, but KG is far more valuable than dirk.
I'd take Dirk over KG anyday of the week, this is the first time he's missed the playoffs in 10+ years, Dirk's failures came in the playoffs, KGs failures came not making the playoffs during his prime.
You didn't even read my post did you?At least you're honest about yourself
So let's get a few things clear:
1. KG sucks for needing Pierce and Allen, but Dirk gets away even though he failed with NASH AND FINLEY IN THEIR PRIMES
2. KG sucks because he was outplayed by dirk and duncan, but Dirk gets away with being shut down by Haslem and Stephen Jackson.
3. KG choked because he was a lower seed, but Dirk missing free throws in game 3 against miami and being shut down by an 8th seed in 2007 is acceptable.
4. Dirk doesn't have time for offensive rebounds!
KG had one good team during his prime. He was already slowed down when he joined the Celtics. He got an over the hill Sprewell and Cassel and his team beasted. He would have likely made the finals.
On the other hand you make excuses for Dirk because he played with "eric Dampier" and Jason Terry. Jason Terry was a beast in Atlanta and was damn good until recent years. Eric Dampier was, sadly, one of the best centers in the league when the mavs had him. The mavs also had players like Devin Harris who was damn good in 2006.
I hope you aren't saying that Dirk's mavericks were ever as bad as KG's timberwolves.
1. Dirk wasn't in his prime those years. Even in 2003 with both of those players, they go to the WCF against the eventual champion Spurs. That's choking, right?
What was KG doing in his prime 
2. Dirk carrying his team to the Finals and getting "shut down" by scoring over 22PPG >>>>> KG continuously losing in the 1st round. You realize Dirk's team had to win 3 entire series to get to the Finals, right? Like, as in, win 12 games. Things that KG couldn't do over the span of MULTIPLE YEARS
Oh, and compare his 2007 Warriors numbers to some of KG years and you see he stays shytting on him, even during his worst Playoffs performance 
3. KG letting Dirk average 33 points and 16 rebounds against him in their 2002 1v1 matchup is acceptable.
This mother fukker is supposed to be so amazing at "defense?" Where was the defense then? 
4. If you understood basketball, you'd realize it's kind of hard to get O-Rebs when you're out 18 feet from the rim having the offense run through you and taking and making shots to keep your team's offense afloat. It's pretty easy to get offensive rebounds when you can stand near the basket while Ray Allen and Paul Pierce take outside jumpers and drive to the rim for the majority of Boston's offensive output.
The fact that their D-Reb numbers are almost identical throughout such a large sample size of Playoffs games shows that KG is not anymore effective on the glass than Dirk. And if you STILL want to argue that he is because of his O-Rebs numbers, then while KG is getting those offensive rebounds, Dirk is the one actually putting the ball in the hoop. Scorer >>>> RebounderKG had Wally, who if you look at some of his numbers from 2000-2006, produced just as many, IF NOT MORE PPG than Jason Terry. AND he had Sprewell AND he had Cassell.
But you stay making excuses for KG
Goatpoacher
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You didn't even read my post did you?
1. Dirk wasn't in his prime those years. Even in 2003 with both of those players, they go to the WCF against the eventual champion Spurs. That's choking, right?
2. Dirk carrying his team to the Finals and getting "shut down" by scoring over 22PPG >>>>> KG continuously losing in the 1st round. You realize Dirk's team had to win 3 entire series to get to the Finals, right? Like, as in, win 12 games. Things that KG couldn't do over the span of MULTIPLE YEARS
3. KG letting Dirk average 33 points and 16 rebounds against him in their 2002 1v1 matchup.
4. If you understood basketball, you'd realize it's kind of hard to get O-Rebs when you're out 18 feet from the rim having the offense run through you and taking and making shots to keep your team's offense afloat. It's pretty easy to get offensive rebounds when you can stand near the basket while Ray Allen and Paul Pierce take outside jumpers and drive to the rim for the majority of Boston's offensive output.
KG had Wally, who if you look at some of his numbers from 2000-2006, produced just as many, IF NOT MORE PPG than Jason Terry. AND he had Sprewell AND he had Cassell.
But you stay making excuses for KG
YOu really are retarded. YOU selectively ignore stats like offensive rebounds and assists, and focus on PPG. You selectively ignore the quality of teams KG had versus what Dirk had, and pull the kobestan routine of denigrating Dirk's teamtes. Josh Howard made an all-star team, IIRC. Devin Harris looked like the next offensive pg back in 2006. Eric Dampier was considered (largely by himself) to be one of the best centers in the league.
You also selectively ignore the fact that KG's teams were never favored during his minnesota years, except the one year he had cassell and spree.
Then you selectively focus on the one head to head matchup in the playoffs to argue KG was not a good defender?
Are you honestly saying KG is a bad defender? An overrated defender? are you saying Dirk was ever even a serviceable defender?
Let's be honest: YOu don't even know what you're saying. You have a preset belief and you will bullshyt voluminously to support your preset belief. YOu will refuse to be consistent, you will continue to ignore salient yet inconvenient facts.
*waits*
Goatpoacher
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Yeah, it had nothing to do with the fact the timberwolves had no other talent in a deep western conference.
(KG's contract was not his fault
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10. Paul Pierce
9. Jason Kidd
8. Dirk
7. D-Wade
6. AI
5. KG
4. LeBron
3. Shaq
2. Tim Duncan
1. Kobe Bryant
Don't get why people are furious by saying KG>Dirk. Besides scoring, which I will give to Dirk, Dirk didn't and doesn't affect the game KG does outside of scoring. Rebounding, they are even, even though KG has the slight edge. And 04 KG is better than any Dirk imo. Yes Dirk won his ring and got his FMVP, but overall, imo KG is better, and most GM's and teams would want KG's qualities than Dirk's. But, I guess that is just me. 
And 
at Duncan. If you are some great player, don't people want to watch you? Boring ass Duncan should be happy he is playing in that small market in SA, shyt imagine the shyt Kobe would get if he was an 8th seed losing to the 1st seed, or getting backdoor swept numerous times? Duncan had the crown, but the late surge by Kobe in 2008-2010 put him over Duncan imo. Plus, Kobe has been better than Duncan for how many years now? I know people want to hate on Bean, but come on brehs, Kobe is the best player from the 2000s without a doubt and imo the best player since Jordan. 
9. Jason Kidd
8. Dirk
7. D-Wade
6. AI
5. KG
4. LeBron
3. Shaq
2. Tim Duncan
1. Kobe Bryant
Don't get why people are furious by saying KG>Dirk. Besides scoring, which I will give to Dirk, Dirk didn't and doesn't affect the game KG does outside of scoring. Rebounding, they are even, even though KG has the slight edge. And 04 KG is better than any Dirk imo. Yes Dirk won his ring and got his FMVP, but overall, imo KG is better, and most GM's and teams would want KG's qualities than Dirk's. But, I guess that is just me. And at Duncan. If you are some great player, don't people want to watch you? Boring ass Duncan should be happy he is playing in that small market in SA, shyt imagine the shyt Kobe would get if he was an 8th seed losing to the 1st seed, or getting backdoor swept numerous times? Duncan had the crown, but the late surge by Kobe in 2008-2010 put him over Duncan imo. Plus, Kobe has been better than Duncan for how many years now? I know people want to hate on Bean, but come on brehs, Kobe is the best player from the 2000s without a doubt and imo the best player since Jordan.
Goatpoacher
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YOur turn. please explain why the 2007 mavs would have gone 40-42 if they had KG instead of Dirk.
@ Dampier being known as one of the best centers in the NBA... stop feeding the obvious trollKG vs Dirk wouldnt even be a discussion if he didnt jump ship to play with 2 First Ballot HOFs IN THEIR PRIME to finally have some type of playoff success
I got stats to back me up. Lots of them. What you got? "Facts?" You're "facts" are your dumbass opinions. My "facts" are stats are over a ridiculous sample size. But what do you have? I see you're not bringing up anything KG ever did BEFORE he got to play with 3 All-Stars.
Dirk's team was the underdog vs. the Lakers, vs. the Thunder, and vs. the Heat in 2011. A lot of people considered the Mavs underdogs vs the Trailblazers. How did that turn out?
I never ignored O-Rebs. In fact, I brought them up just so your bytchass couldn't cry about me ignoring them, yet you still want to complain about it after I explained them. Tell me, how does one get offensive rebounds when one is 18+ feet away from the rim :dwill huh:
Sam Cassell made the All-Star team in 2003-2004. Wally made the All-Star team in 2001-2002. You conveniently forget that or do you stay misinformed regarding EVERYTHING basketball?
@ "Eric Dampier was considered (largely by himself) to be one of the best centers in the league." I don't know what this means, and I don't know anybody who watches basketball who would cosign this.All I'm saying is how valuable is KG's defense when he lets the other team's best player go off for 33-16 in the goddamn playoffs. And you want to talk about Dirk's shortcomings? How's allowing a guy to average 33 PPG and 70% from 3-PT on your watch for "defensive contribution." At least even in Dirk's shyttiest offensive output he's getting you 18-19+PPG. Kevin Garnett's supreme defensive abilities looked like
in 2002.Let's be honest,
don't know what you're talking about. You keep bringing up things that all the stats refute. Wally had higher PPG than Terry several seasons. KG played with all-stars. KG's defense meant absolute shyt in the playoffs vs. Dirk when it could have meant the most. I have factual statistics backing this up.What you got other than your opinion, which includes Eric Dampier being one of the best Centers in the league?
Goatpoacher
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I got stats to back me up. Lots of them. What you got? "Facts?" You're "facts" are your dumbass opinions. My "facts" are stats are over a ridiculous sample size. But what do you have? I see you're not bringing up anything KG ever did BEFORE he got to play with 3 All-Stars.
Dirk's team was the underdog vs. the Lakers, vs. the Thunder, and vs. the Heat in 2011. A lot of people considered the Mavs underdogs vs the Trailblazers. How did that turn out?
I never ignored O-Rebs. In fact, I brought them up just so your bytchass couldn't cry about me ignoring them, yet you still want to complain about it after I explained them. Tell me, how does one get offensive rebounds when one is 18+ feet away from the rim :dwill huh:
Sam Cassell made the All-Star team in 2003-2004. Wally made the All-Star team in 2001-2002. You conveniently forget that or do you stay misinformed regarding EVERYTHING basketball?
All I'm saying is how valuable is KG's defense when he lets the other team's best player go off for 33-16 in the goddamn playoffs. And you want to talk about Dirk's shortcomings? How's allowing a guy to average 33 PPG and 70% from 3-PT on your watch for "defensive contribution." At least even in Dirk's shyttiest offensive output he's getting you 18-19+PPG. Kevin Garnett looked like
Let's be honest,
What you got other than your opinion, which includes Eric Dampier being one of the best Centers in the league?
Before i respond to any more of your stupidity, answer my question. Why would KG being on the mavs in 2007 result in negative 27 wins?
IF you aren't going to bother explaining that, you can fukk off with the rest of your nonsense.
Goatpoacher
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KG vs Dirk wouldnt even be a discussion if he didnt jump ship to play with 2 First Ballot HOFs IN THEIR PRIME to finally have some type of playoff success
Really? who were the best centers between 2005-2008
YOur turn. please explain why the 2007 mavs would have gone 40-42 if they had KG instead of Dirk.
Cause KG was a perennial loser without Pierce, Allen, Rondo, and Doc Rivers.
That 2007 team needed Dirk to carry the offensive load. KG comes in and gets rebounds and plays defense and they only get 80 points an entire game = a lot more than 15 losses.
thanks
1.Kobe Bryant
that's the most important thing that needed to be said
Before i respond to any more of your stupidity, answer my question. Why would KG being on the mavs in 2007 result in negative 27 wins?
IF you aren't going to bother explaining that, you can fukk off with the rest of your nonsense.
Even though you ain't got shyt to say about all those Statistical Facts that show Dirk >>> KG, now you want to be a bytch and play hardball about "you not refuting my point"fukk outta here
This dude is like
at me shytting on every angle he tries to take and now he wants to dissect 1 backhanded jab I throw at KG that's more of a diss as to how he stayed losing before Boston than a realistic statement It's called sarcasm.