This is why sampling is so important

[KravenMorehead™]

Making tables outta wood is like poaching. Why they ain't use the sap and branches?

 

[head shots101]

this is a terrible fukking analogy and youre an idiot.

who the fukk cares about not using the body when your goal is to create something new ? a producer can hear a sound that isnt even a big part of a record and immediately paints a picture of what it could be once you fit to your vision/style. so its more like taking the tusks and putting them on a new animal you have created. one producer might want the tusks, another may want the trunk. it doesnt matter. 10 producers will hear the same song and youll get 10 different beats.

a producer can make great music with a sound that wasnt anything special on its own until they added their own strings, pianos, bass, voice sample and percussion, etc.... whatever.

That nikka talking out his ass.....he has no knowledge when it comes to making beats

 

[SirBiatch]

never heard this one. I was listening like "I wonder what got sampled" then so ill

 

[SirBiatch]

That nikka talking out his ass.....he has no knowledge when it comes to making beats

dude prolly wack and disgruntled

"I bought the latest presets! WHY WONT THIS WORK? WHY DO PEOPLE STILL LIKE PREMO?!!"

 

[head shots101]

 

[head shots101]

dude prolly wack and disgruntled

"I bought the latest presets! WHY WONT THIS WORK? WHY DO PEOPLE STILL LIKE PREMO?!!"

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

 

[Mr.Logic]

You're not a hip hop fan.
Ludicrous. Sampling is as old as time. The only difference is that hip hop, being ahead of the curve, found the opportunity to copy the original tune almost 1-1. Then juice that shyt up on some strange steroid soul shyt. Before your favorite acts would just replay a melody they heard somewhere. Hip hop's just doing it digitally and bringing a whole new narrative to it.
If cacs invented hip hop, they'd be cramming their "we so genius" narrative down everyone's throat.
Not just that. and the soul/intellect in hip hop, specially in the drums and its pattern. Can't you read?
you're not a hip hop fan.

(1) I am HUGE hip hop fan...For the past 16 years, I can say I have spent at least 5 hours per day making rap beats...I am ALWAYS in The Tunnel section critiquing other beatmakers and seeing if they have new samples for me to play with...

Hip Hop LITERALLY consumes my life ( at least the beat making aspect of it)...I can't function in society without it...

(2) Sampling is NOT the same as covering or interpolating...Sampling is its own art form...

(3) The word "genius" doesn't really mean anything...Hip Hop has its own "geniuses"...I am just reluctant to place Premo in that category...

(4) When people sample they usually mimic the original sample's drums...If the same has no drums, they layer their own drums...Premo is not the best example of Hip Hop drum programming, and not even Dr Dre...

In my opinion, today's beatmakers are just performing MIRACLES with drums, snares, and hi hats...It is a

(5) I love Hip Hop...I am not convinced that sampling is superior to what is being produced today...A good sample doesn't even need any additives...Listen to Roc Marciano...He just loops dope music, and now he doesn't even bother adding drums, because the loops are simply

Good rappers actually make sample based beatmakers better than they are...But beatmakers who make their own beats USUALLY over power the rappers...The beats are so good today, you don't even need to be a good rapper to just float on the beat and let it carry you...

(6) Conclusion, sampling is not better than what is going on today...This coming from somebody who spends most of his free time sampling...

(7) Why are sample based producers MOST TIMES trying to hide were they got the sample from and looking for rare music (a) they want us to think that they actually made something amazing beyond what the originals already is (b) they don't want another more creative dude using the sample better than they did...

Dr Dre used to be my favorite Hip Hop beatmaker until I started searching and finding that 99% of "his" beats are straight up loops with no changes, and his drums are simply well engineered Boom Bap Boom Bap patterns...

It made me realize he wasn't really doing amazing things in the studio...

 

[Mr.Logic]

this is a terrible fukking analogy and youre an idiot.

who the fukk cares about not using the body when your goal is to create something new ? a producer can hear a sound that isnt even a big part of a record and immediately paints a picture of what it could be once you fit to your vision/style. so its more like taking the tusks and putting them on a new animal you have created. one producer might want the tusks, another may want the trunk. it doesnt matter. 10 producers will hear the same song and youll get 10 different beats.

a producer can make great music with a sound that wasnt anything special on its own until they added their own strings, pianos, bass, voice sample and percussion, etc.... whatever.

The OP posted a Premo beat that DOES NOT match anything that you are stating about the producer elevating a 4 bar loop to new heights...

I guarantee if he had used RZA, 4th Disciple, Havoc, Dj Unik, Kanye West, Pete Rock, Tru Matser and many other beatmakers better than Premo, I would have dapped him and kept it moving...

Dude used Premo...A beatmaker I barely fcuk with as the prototype of Hip Hop sampling...Dude was low key making a "Premo appreciation" thread...I couldn't let it fly...He is TOO OVERRATED...

 

[soulfuljah]

never heard this one. I was listening like "I wonder what got sampled" then so ill

Things like this is what I was talking about with Logic. Most producers probably heard that and kept it moving. Premo can do some serious things with a 2 second sample.

 

[SirBiatch]

I appreciate the thoughtful response.

(3) The word "genius" doesn't really mean anything...Hip Hop has its own "geniuses"...I am just reluctant to place Premo in that category...

If you can't see Premo's genius, it makes me wonder if you even understand hip hop on a basic level. No hyperbole. It's that serious.

(4) When people sample they usually mimic the original sample's drums...If the same has no drums, they layer their own drums...Premo is not the best example of Hip Hop drum programming, and not even Dr Dre...

I'm gonna need receipts on this. Because I've been listening to hip hop for a long ass time, and it's rare that people will mimic the original's drums.

The only example that comes to my head off top is Method Man & Redman - Cereal Killer. RZA pretty much looped George McRae's The Rub.

BUT

the real genius in that RZA beat is he does some weird shyt with the snare. It's hard for me to describe. I don't produce and know the terminology well. All I know is that RZA's beat has this off-kilter feel to it. The start of the loop feels like someone jabbed you real quick.

Something as simple as that requires hip hop intelligence and soul.

In my opinion, today's beatmakers are just performing MIRACLES with drums, snares, and hi hats...It is a

examples?

(5) I love Hip Hop...I am not convinced that sampling is superior to what is being produced today...A good sample doesn't even need any additives...Listen to Roc Marciano...He just loops dope music, and now he doesn't even bother adding drums, because the loops are simply

I can't stand Roc Marciano. Few things lamer to me than drumless hip hop.

(7) Why are sample based producers MOST TIMES trying to hide were they got the sample from and looking for rare music (a) they want us to think that they actually made something amazing beyond what the originals already is (b) they don't want another more creative dude using the sample better than they did...

or more realistically, they're not trying to get sued. And in the case of trying to clear sample legally, not trying to get extorted.

Dr Dre used to be my favorite Hip Hop beatmaker until I started searching and finding that 99% of "his" beats are straight up loops with no changes, and his drums are simply well engineered Boom Bap Boom Bap patterns...

It made me realize he wasn't really doing amazing things in the studio...

Not a fan of Dre. It didn't take me long to realize that guys like Premo, Timbaland and RZA were just on a whole other level creatively.

But the guy who dapped you initially @bigbadbossup2012 aint gon like this

 

[H.I.M.]

Some of the best beats i ever heard were made in the past 5 years...even though the 2010's era producers have alot less to work with...seems to me that they're alot more creative with their beats than alot of producers in the past...not all...but ESPECIALLY compared to a guy like Premo who would just take a sample and loop it without even flipping it or touching it up (like the song in the OP)

There's a higher level of creativity in making beats like THESE than a song like the OP














more sounds
more samples
beat changeups
more compllex drum & bass patterns

And they sound better

 

[Newportbox]

So we out here disrespecting the legacy of Premo now? The Coli's trash.

 

[x-factor7]

For the dumb ass that's arguing in here, I've listened to 100s of the original samples Premo has chopped up, him along with Havoc are the most creative samplers of all time, it can't even be argued. His chopping/sampling game is legendary.

When I be on the Mic by Rakim (0:07)


Or have your way with this...
DJ Premier Producer Profile on WhoSampled

Who's fukking with this?

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

I appreciate the thoughtful response.





If you can't see Premo's genius, it makes me wonder if you even understand hip hop on a basic level. No hyperbole. It's that serious.



I'm gonna need receipts on this. Because I've been listening to hip hop for a long ass time, and it's rare that people will mimic the original's drums.

The only example that comes to my head off top is Method Man & Redman - Cereal Killer. RZA pretty much looped George McRae's The Rub.

BUT

the real genius in that RZA beat is he does some weird shyt with the snare. It's hard for me to describe. I don't produce and know the terminology well. All I know is that RZA's beat has this off-kilter feel to it. The start of the loop feels like someone jabbed you real quick.

Something as simple as that requires hip hop intelligence and soul.



examples?



I can't stand Roc Marciano. Few things lamer to me than drumless hip hop.



or more realistically, they're not trying to get sued. And in the case of trying to clear sample legally, not trying to get extorted.



Not a fan of Dre. It didn't take me long to realize that guys like Premo, Timbaland and RZA were just on a whole other level creatively.

But the guy who dapped you initially @bigbadbossup2012 aint gon like this

Honestly it doesnt matter to me.
Dre has done it bigger and better than anyone in hiphop.
Doesnt take alot of studying to peep that dre used alot of loops.