This is why sampling is so important

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There are better examples of sample flips...This sounds like the typical cookie cutter Premo beat...

Plus, a smart person could argue that Hip Hop sampling is like poaching...You are killing an elephant just to use the tusks, but don't make use of the rest of the body...
slow down with the cookie cutter speak. the reason its cookie cutter cause dude has been doing it for so long he's a walking template on how to make a hiphop beat. thats not a negative its the highest praise you can have.

real cute analogy. but naw bruh.
Hiphop is not poaching, because you're not Killing anything. you're actually glorifying the original music. which is why i never understood why people would hate on hiphop(blacks did too. those that played instruments/jazz, etc.). its like everytime you hear these samples. it makes you go look at the inside of the album cover to find out who made it, and what did he sample. the moment you find it. you find the original and fall in love with it. it introduces the young gen to the old gen's music.

but it also bridges the gap between old and young . because old heads would know that sound "hey... i know that song." and they can vibe with it. now you got old heads nodding their heads. the youngins slightly remember it too since their parents use to play these songs in the house when they were kids. your brain remembers the melodies. This is why sampling hiphop or even west coast replaying of great oldschool songs worked so well. where as todays music when dudes are actually making their own songs(even though everyone sounds the same)... no old heads can rock to them really because there's no familiarity with them. this is something i had to learn because i was anti sample when making my own productions since i knew i couldnt afford to pay top dollar for a top sample. now i knew i still liked the sound of it. regardless.
 

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This is still one of my favorites. I didn't even know that this was sampled until I was in Alaska and listening to records to try to flip something and got to middle of the track of the last song on the album and then hit my homeboy with the :ohhh:



Hi Tek :ohlawd:

this intro was So gangsta. One of thee most gangsta-ish songs to come out the east.
 

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That killing the elephant and only using it's tusks analogy has to be one of the dumbest things I've read on here in a long time, and that's saying a lot :mjlol:
Most of the time it's some of the most obscure or random parts of a song that is actually being sampled, so it's more like cutting the tail off an elephant.
 

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slow down with the cookie cutter speak. the reason its cookie cutter cause dude has been doing it for so long he's a walking template on how to make a hiphop beat. thats not a negative its the highest praise you can have.
Dude has been making the same beat for nearly 20 years...He is LITERALLY chopping samples and plugin them in a template he developed in the mid-90s...Listen to "Invincible" "a million and one questions" "Nas is like" "so ghetto" "Kick in the door" and many more...It is the same DAMN beat...:russ:

If you can't hear it, then there is nothing more to say...

real cute analogy. but naw bruh.
Hiphop is not poaching, because you're not Killing anything. you're actually glorifying the original music. which is why i never understood why people would hate on hiphop(blacks did too. those that played instruments/jazz, etc.). its like everytime you hear these samples. it makes you go look at the inside of the album cover to find out who made it, and what did he sample. the moment you find it. you find the original and fall in love with it. it introduces the young gen to the old gen's music.
Have you listened to "Moment Of Truth" by Gangstarr? In that album there is a skit were DJ Premier is calling people "snitching" for publicizing the samples that he was using...

If you are "glorifying the original music" why don't you want the people to know were the sample came from? Historically, beatmakers NEVER revealed were they got the samples from...It is only after sampling laws were passed that they had no choice but to give credit or get SEVERE financial penalties...

So, STOP with this "glorifying" nonsense...You clearly don't know your Hip Hop history and how secretive beatmakers were with what they sampled...

Example, why did it take so long to uncover the "Survival of the fittest" "shook ones part 2" and the "Ice cream" samples? Because Hip Hop wasn't "glorifying the original composers, they were poaching and taking full credit...Period.

but it also bridges the gap between old and young . because old heads would know that sound "hey... i know that song." and they can vibe with it. now you got old heads nodding their heads. the youngins slightly remember it too since their parents use to play these songs in the house when they were kids. your brain remembers the melodies. This is why sampling hiphop or even west coast replaying of great oldschool songs worked so well. where as todays music when dudes are actually making their own songs(even though everyone sounds the same)... no old heads can rock to them really because there's no familiarity with them. this is something i had to learn because i was anti sample when making my own productions since i knew i couldnt afford to pay top dollar for a top sample. now i knew i still liked the sound of it. regardless.
Bullshiet...

An "old head" would have NEVER guessed were the "Shook Ones part 2" "Ice cream" and "Survival of the fittest" sample came from...Even the people who composed the original music would not be able to tell if the song was played for them...

Good luck finding some of the stuff that 4th Disciple sampled...You will spend years digging through sounds...

That is NOT glorification or bridging the gap...That is like travelling to Tibet, learning the secrets of the Buddha and then going to a secluded African village and make it seem like you came up with the wisdom all on own...Something that humans have been doing and continue to do till this day...

If we had no patent and copyright laws, that sheit would be RAMPANT...It is JACKING...Period.
 

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There are a lot of factors that go with why producers today sound more "talented" then the producers back. Remember Preemo, Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Large Pro, Havoc, all came up when Hip-hop was in its infancy as far as production wise. Back then, all you needed was a dope loop and let your lyrics carry the rest. Also, sampling became the thing because basically, hiring musicians to play is EXPENSIVE as most are apart of union and command top dollar. Most black kids couldn't afford musical lessons, the public schools weren't provided them, and the instruments were expensive. Hip-hop started with two turntables and the DJ scratching between break beats from disco and james brown records. Without sampling, hip-hop had no chance.

Now, fast forward. You have the advent of computers which made music making easier and affordable and portable. Back in the 90s, you had to go the studios with the huge mixing boards, carry your MPC, your roland SP1200 (which are huge by the way) and your crate of records you wish to sample. Nowadays, we have computers with millions of sound packs, I make beats on my iPhone, and these programs do chords and transitions for you. On my iMaschine 2 on my iPhone 6 plus, I can do multi chord progressions with two taps of my thumb. Its not that these producers today have more talent or know how (even though I think Ive seen Zaytoven or Metro Boomin actually play the keys so I give them props) better than the older producers: they have the advantage of technology.
 

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Dude has been making the same beat for nearly 20 years...He is LITERALLY chopping samples and plugin them in a template he developed in the mid-90s...Listen to "Invincible" "a million and one questions" "Nas is like" "so ghetto" "Kick in the door" and many more...It is the same DAMN beat...:russ:

If you can't hear it, then there is nothing more to say...


Have you listened to "Moment Of Truth" by Gangstarr? In that album there is a skit were DJ Premier is calling people "snitching" for publicizing the samples that he was using...

If you are "glorifying the original music" why don't you want the people to know were the sample came from? Historically, beatmakers NEVER revealed were they got the samples from...It is only after sampling laws were passed that they had no choice but to give credit or get SEVERE financial penalties...

So, STOP with this "glorifying" nonsense...You clearly don't know your Hip Hop history and how secretive beatmakers were with what they sampled...

Example, why did it take so long to uncover the "Survival of the fittest" "shook ones part 2" and the "Ice cream" samples? Because Hip Hop wasn't "glorifying the original composers, they were poaching and taking full credit...Period.


Bullshiet...

An "old head" would have NEVER guessed were the "Shook Ones part 2" "Ice cream" and "Survival of the fittest" sample came from...Even the people who composed the original music would not be able to tell if the song was played for them...

Good luck finding some of the stuff that 4th Disciple sampled...You will spend years digging through sounds...

That is NOT glorification or bridging the gap...That is like travelling to Tibet, learning the secrets of the Buddha and then going to a secluded African village and make it seem like you came up with the wisdom all on own...Something that humans have been doing and continue to do till this day...

If we had no patent and copyright laws, that sheit would be RAMPANT...It is JACKING...Period.
wrong on all accounts. I didnt say it wasnt a template he created. i said HE IS THE TEMPLATE. what part of that dont you get?

most producers make their beats the same way. the only reason you dont notice is because if they play their melodies vs chop them. you can't here it in how they are playing their melodies. but if you listen well enough you will know "oh thats a so and so beat."

The producer was trying to hide it back in the day. But it could not be hidden since it had to be in the liner notes BY LAW. again, if i'm listening to some sampled up hiphop that just sounds to good. i'm opening up the tape case/cd case/pulling up the image file for the mp3, etc. to find out who did this dude sample?

dudes who were really into the beats did this all the time.this made you give props to the original creators.


***again, we have copyright, patent laws. so your point is moot. *** its not jacking anything. its music appreciation.

its so much so that especially for the westcoast artist(g rappers) were partnering up with the old heads. tell me i'm lying.
You saw George Clinton in videos with pac, snoop, other west coast artist.

You saw and heard Snoop with charlie wilson, so much so it revived dudes career.

And lets speak on Gangstarr or better yet GURU aka Jazzmatazz. what the hell did you think that was all about?
GAP BRIDGING BRUH.

WE appreciated that old funk, old jazz, old Rock n Roll, old R&B, old SOUL our parents were playing in the background when we were little kids. our fathers/mothers left records that we wanted to get our hands on. Nuccas sampling james brown like crazy. thats paying respect and homage to JB.

MC hammers entire discography was paying homage to those that came before him. which is why he was so hot. he had OLD music chopped up with a new beat underneath. but all the old heads that were saying "Can't touch this" new it was RICK JAMES.

Bridging the GAP.

Music appreciation. PERIOD.
 

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My beats are always the same template to.
It's like having your own style.

I do that cause i like a certain sound for my beats.
 

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Horrible analogy with the elephant shyt. It is more like recycling. You take something old that someone doesn't pay attention to and a piece of that becomes something new.

Sampling is great. Sampling is important. Sampling is the backbone of Hip Hop......

But since rappers spend so much fukking time telling you how rich they are the people that are being sampled ask for tons of money so....it's not coming back or returning to what it was.
 
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