This obsession with the QB position cost teams two Super Bowls

[mrken12]

Yeah I worry about that, but they say he's being brought in as backup.... Kyle's supposedly interested in acquiring Cousins or Jimmy G

Cousins will get the tag again. 49ers might try to get Cousins next year.

 

[yseJ]

As bad as the rule changes and no two a day practices have been for football, the coaches are just as problematic. There's only 2-3 championship caliber coaches in the league at all. Everyone else is kinda shytty and/or sloppy seconds from the previous team that fired them. I mean shyt, Warner didn't have a good coach at any point from 2000-2009, Manning took 4 different coaches to the super bowl, the bills and jets and fins have each gone through 4 coaches or more in the last 16 years. The niners chased him harbaugh away to hire a new guy every year. Dallas wasted Romo's career saddling him with hot trash at head coach from 2007-today, and Favre last played for a good coach in 1998, spending the final 12 seasons of his career with someone terrible on the sidelines. It's a pretty bleak picture when you look at it.

so mike martz wasnt a good coach ?

you're making it sound like qbs carry coaches conveniently equating coaches that won with these qbs as good coaches, and those who didnt as bad coaches. could there be any more basic and purely result-oriented analysis ?

 

[yseJ]

Cousins will get the tag again. 49ers might try to get Cousins next year.

yall can keep him

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

so mike martz wasnt a good coach ?

you're making it sound like qbs carry coaches conveniently equating coaches that won with these qbs as good coaches, and those who didnt as bad coaches. could there be any more basic and purely result-oriented analysis ?

Martz was basically allergic to giving Marshall the football in super bowl 36 and for some absurd reason played for the tie in the divisional round against Carolina two years later when the win was easily in their grasp. After he got the axe he washed out everywhere he went as an OC. Whatever magic he had vanished in early 2001 honestly. He's been a part of 1 team that finished above .500 from 2004-present day

 

[mrken12]

yall can keep him

No I insist. You guys take him. Look at that passion.

 

[010101]

take the ball out your athletes/gamebreakers hands to keep flat footed fukks on that pedestal*

 

[yseJ]

Martz was basically allergic to giving Marshall the football in super bowl 36 and for some absurd reason played for the tie in the divisional round against Carolina two years later when the win was easily in their grasp. After he got the axe he washed out everywhere he went as an OC. Whatever magic he had vanished in early 2001 honestly. He's been a part of 1 team that finished above .500 from 2004-present day

and hes also the one who made the greatest show on turf and built warner in the first place. that whole historic offense was his making.

like Ive said, your analysis is fairly basic it depends too much on big wins. even if guys like whisenhunt or fisher won the SB, they probably are looked at very differently nowadays. I dont like result-oriented stuff when the difference between a win and loss can literally be a yard.

even most successful coaches had their share of failures. even beli

and beli was given pure control after his success, but remember how parcells was fired ? kraft learned his mistake. beli's situation in new england is fairly unique. no other coach in the league has had much autonomy in the last 5-15 years. not even pete carroll. this is still old school leftovers from parcells/walsh days.

 

[yseJ]

No I insist. You guys take him. Look at that passion.

automatic ejection in a game

 

[King Jove]

That's what makes the patriots so great (again )

They don't care about egos.

Belicheck had no problem giving the ball to James white for the touchdown.

Hogan can go off in the AFC championship game if the matchup decides it and go back to being irrelevant.

Its not about feeding this reciever to get him his numbers or making sure the qb wins mvp.

Just whoever can make the play, make the play.

 

[Originalman]

Martz was basically allergic to giving Marshall the football in super bowl 36 and for some absurd reason played for the tie in the divisional round against Carolina two years later when the win was easily in their grasp. After he got the axe he washed out everywhere he went as an OC. Whatever magic he had vanished in early 2001 honestly. He's been a part of 1 team that finished above .500 from 2004-present day

Everyone who followed that team said that it was dikk vermil who forced martz to call a more balance offense in 1999 when they won the superbowl. Vermil thought was that with Faulk once you got the lead you ran out the clock and kept your defense fresh. That is the reason in 1999 the defense was ranked so high.

Soon as the explosive offense got the big lead he would say OK now let's run the ball protect the defense and protect Warner. dikk also wanted more protection for Warner during passing plays.

All of what I mentioned Martz did not believe in. He wanted to pass pass pass even with a big lead. Even with the lead on the road late in the 4th his motto was keep attacking. He also didn't believe in leaving in blockers to protect Warner like Vermil did.

Vermil had no problem leaving in Faulk or a Te to block on a passing play. Where as Martz did not believe in protecting Warner and leaving in protection. It was nothing for him to go 4 or 5 wide and leaving Warner open to vicious hits. So much that it basically got Warner beat to a pulp and almost ruined him. Even when Bulger took over Martz got him killed as well with 70% passing and abandoning the running game.

Martz had a lot of Philly Andy Reid. Except Reid only went passing crazy by 2004 when he got TO. Martz went passing crazy when he took over in 2000.

Though to Andy's defense he would adjust and run more either once he got McNabb hurt passing too much or when the media called him out when abandoning the run. Martz wouldn't cut down on the passing even when he got his QBs hurt or even when the media called him out for not running the ball.

 

[Cadillac]

 

[Michael's Black Son]

with 5 min left, bum ass falcons sitll lining up in shotgun, still snapping the ball with the clock running with 20 on the clock. Then they get in field goal range you know a field goal will basically end it, instead they decide to pass sack, throw hold

instead of runing the DAMN BALL

And it's shyt like that that always leaves some kind of thought to wonder if the fix is in. Because a lot of this shyt DEFIES football logic. You have Marshawn Lynch ready to go at the damn goal line yet you wanna throw risky passes? You have your foot on the Pats neck yet you don't burn damn near every last second of the play clock?

I don't get it. You could throw non footballs fans in the OC spot and they will be like "run that shyt until there's 0 seconds left in the game"

 

[Hammer]

as someone that is not really a big football fan and I will admit I'm a casual(don't know much of shyt besides obvious and a few things and teams I support)


I always wondered why Football act like QB be carrying the team like elite bball players do when they play a single role like every other player on the team does.

um....because they do.....Qb is the most important position. Brady won them 5 SB's. are u retarded?

 

[yseJ]

Everyone who followed that team said that it was dikk vermil who forced martz to call a more balance offense in 1999 when they won the superbowl. Vermil thought was that with Faulk once you got the lead you ran out the clock and kept your defense fresh. That is the reason in 1999 the defense was ranked so high.

Soon as the explosive offense got the big lead he would say OK now let's run the ball protect the defense and protect Warner. dikk also wanted more protection for Warner during passing plays.

All of what I mentioned Martz did not believe in. He wanted to pass pass pass even with a big lead. Even with the lead on the road late in the 4th his motto was keep attacking. He also didn't believe in leaving in blockers to protect Warner like Vermil did.

Vermil had no problem leaving in Faulk or a Te to block on a passing play. Where as Martz did not believe in protecting Warner and leaving in protection. It was nothing for him to go 4 or 5 wide and leaving Warner open to vicious hits. So much that it basically got Warner beat to a pulp and almost ruined him. Even when Bulger took over Martz got him killed as well with 70% passing and abandoning the running game.

Martz had a lot of Philly Andy Reid. Except Reid only went passing crazy by 2004 when he got TO. Martz went passing crazy when he took over in 2000.

Though to Andy's defense he would adjust and run more either once he got McNabb hurt passing too much or when the media called him out when abandoning the run. Martz wouldn't cut down on the passing even when he got his QBs hurt or even when the media called him out for not running the ball.

a lot of this, if not all is true, but doesnt take away the fact that Martz was the one who created the greatest show on turf in the first place. I agree his balance was out of whack and he had a huge ego, but you cant deny what he created was amazing.

if he knew how to adjust, hed have longevity too. actually he was doing well in balancing shyt out as the bears OC but then that piece of shyt cutler threw a baby tantrum and got him fired

 

[broller]

That's what makes the patriots so great (again )

They don't care about egos.

Belicheck had no problem giving the ball to James white for the touchdown.

Hogan can go off in the AFC championship game if the matchup decides it and go back to being irrelevant.

Its not about feeding this reciever to get him his numbers or making sure the qb wins mvp.

Just whoever can make the play, make the play.

But the play before Brady threw a ball that was nearly picked. Just that Beasley didn't see the ball well.