This pic got them Marvel fanboys going ham

[daze23]

"plot" is also the reason upper tier marvel characters don't just eviscerate the Fantastic Four

 

[Bawon Samedi]

You brought up the hulk as a comparison to goku like goku realistically isn't wayyyy past destroying planets powerwise.

Goku and vegeta are said to have traveled to another galaxy when they got old to have one final fight, the sonic waves and explosions could be heard and felt from earth.

It seems you're still not getting what I'm saying. You boasted up DBZ characters being able to bust planets. I replied by saying busting planets in Marvel isn't a big deal and almost every high tier meta human can do it, even one of the weakest like Hulk if hes angry enough!

I never said Hulk is above Goku or Goku can not do anything beyond busting a planet. Matter fact show us Goku busting something beyond a planet. And no not statements, hyperboles or powerscaling like I see most DBZ fans do.

Freeza, a dude that use to destroy planets for fun, got mad at goku and telepathically blew krillian up, and can shoot lasers powerful enough to penetrate anything Tony Starks/tachalla could create.

Again you need to take a step back and realized just how powerful these dbz characters are.

No. I actually know how powerful DBZ characters are. I read the manga and read the anime. I know without the inconsistencies where they stand. But it seems you don't know anything about comics like you state. Goku at BEST would be herald level in the Marvel U. And this is me being nice. Still impressive but not him soloing 90% of the Marvel U. Not even close...

No T'Challa actually has PLANS to defeat Galactus. Galactus who is more flipping dangerous than Frieza. Galactus IIRC who can teleport galaxies. Tony Stark with a small amount of prep time was able to create a Phoenix Buster. The Phoenix like Galactus who is much more dangerous than Frieza. I don't have to get started on Reed Richards. Reed, Stark and T'Challa are all apart of the Illuminate. The Illuminate who created devices to destroy other universes. With prep Frieza is nothing to these guys.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Now your talking about plots when before you were talking about destroying worlds and opening blackholes

It seems reading is not your friend. Again keyword, "BLOODLUSTED!" I.e out of character... That's what I meant with Silver Surfer and Sue.

Wtf is a plot to someone who can erase the universe and everything in it???
now you understand what I mean when I say goku COULD destroy the universe based off his strength.

Yeah because that would make a good story. Matter fact there wouldn't be a story. I'll let you figure that out.

Even low level dbz characters have been shown to be fast enough to kill sue storm LONG BEFORE they would suffocate.

Maybe. Who knows?

Your bringing up what these marvel characters can do with their powers like that's how it would go in a one on one fight with goku, basically bringing up their power scale as a reason why they couldn't be beat. Dragonball z does NOT just rely heavily on powerscaling since ALL these characters are more than strong enough to destroy worlds but dont, even the human dbz characters like tien could blow up earth, they don't because of PLOT.

Tien has never been shown or stated to be able to bust a planet. Nor has his power level been shown to. Even if he could he'll die. He's human and can't even breath in space like most the Z-Fighters.

As for the bolded I don't get. Again I said comics do NOT RELY on powerscaling, I don't what you're trying to say.

 

[5n0man]

It seems reading is not your friend. Again keyword, "BLOODLUSTED!" I.e out of character... That's what I meant with Silver Surfer and Sue.

So why the fukk do you keep talking about what these guys can do while OUT OF character when I'm talking about these guys fighting IN character?

Maybe is you who is having trouble reading.

Goku out if character could do that level of damage, a "bloodlusted" ssj god goku would be unstoppable by most of the Marvel universe, only a handful could stop him. But I'm talking about IN CHARACTER fights.

Tien has never been shown or stated to be able to bust a planet. Nor has his power level been shown to. Even if he could he'll die. He's human and can't even breath in space like most the Z-Fighters.

tien has been shown to have enough power to hold back cell in his second form, cell is someone 100 times stronger than a weakest form freeza that destroyed planets for fun. I'm sure tien could gather the strength to bust planets if needed, hell ,piccolo was strong enough to blow up the moon when a child goku was giving him problems.

 

[5n0man]

seems you're still not getting what I'm saying. You boasted up DBZ characters being able to bust planets. I replied by saying busting planets in Marvel isn't a big deal and almost every high tier meta human can do it, even one of the weakest like Hulk if hes angry enough!

You marvel fans are the ones bringing up these rediculous feats talking about what is an isn't a big deal, I'm only stating that these dbz characters are strong enough to pull off rediculous feats too without much effort.

I never said Hulk is above Goku or Goku can not do anything beyond busting a planet. Matter fact show us Goku busting something beyond a planet. And no not statements, hyperboles or powerscaling like I see most DBZ fans

You say hulk is barely herald level and goku is also herald level,putting them in the same power class, while also admitting that goku could easily dismantle the hulk. Goku was strong enough during his fight with freeza, before ever turning super saiyan, to beat the hulk easily.
We don't need to see goku busting planets because we know he's countless times stronger that people who can.

No. I actually know how powerful DBZ characters are. I read the manga and read the anime. I know without the inconsistencies where they stand. But it seems you don't know anything about comics like you state. Goku at BEST would be herald level in the Marvel U. And this is me being nice. Still impressive but not him soloing 90% of the Marvel U. Not even close...

I know comics and how the can be JUST as inconsistent powerwise as dbz,

No T'Challa actually has PLANS to defeat Galactus. Galactus who is more flipping dangerous than Frieza. Galactus IIRC who can teleport galaxies. Tony Stark with a small amount of prep time was able to create a Phoenix Buster. The Phoenix like Galactus who is much more dangerous than Frieza. I don't have to get started on Reed Richards. Reed, Stark and T'Challa are all apart of the Illuminate. The Illuminate who created devices to destroy other universes. With prep Frieza is nothing to these guys.

So you go from talking about an entity that, realistically, can just swallow the universe, being undefeatable, to talking about human characters coming up with "plans" to stop him. That's that inconsistency I'm talking about, you sound rediculous.

Yeah because that would make a good story. Matter fact there wouldn't be a story. I'll let you figure that out.

Use that same logic here

 

[5n0man]

"plot" is also the reason upper tier marvel characters don't just eviscerate the Fantastic Four

So why say silver surfer will open a black hole against goku or Phoenix will erase the universe if that's not how these characters deal with shyt???
Dying is a joke to goku due to plot cause he can instant transmission himself anywhere including other worldly dimensions like hell and heaven. He has also been shown to fight AFTER dying with a halo above his head.
I'm not in here like, goku would win because he would just keep coming back from the dead


Is that what would happen in a tournament style fight involving these characters?

 

[daze23]

So why say silver surfer will open a black hole against goku or Phoenix will erase the universe if that's not how these characters deal with shyt???
Dying is a joke to goku due to plot cause he can instant transmission himself anywhere including other worldly dimensions like hell and heaven. He has also been shown to fight AFTER dying with a halo above his head.
I'm not in here like, goku would win because he would just keep coming back from the dead


Is that what would happen in a tournament style fight involving these characters?

they don't deal with shyt like that because it doesn't make a good story. but that kind of stuff is within their abilities

 

[Killigraphy]

If anything these kinds of discussions boil down to power and feats. We have to ignore what ifs, moral compass of character and or who they lost to. Comic writers have already expressed that if they need to, they will kill Captain America 10+ times to sell more. We have to approach the issue like Screw Attack on youtube would. With that said; DBZ characters need to eat, breathe, and suffer from cuts, burns, bruises, broken bones, and I'm sure the effect of radiation....

Goku and Veggie are catching that L due to guys like Silver Surfer and Doom alone.

 

[5n0man]

they don't deal with shyt like that because it doesn't make a good story. but that kind of stuff is within their abilities

I'm not arguing that that kinda shyt isn't in their abilities, just that some of you are underestimating how strong dbz characters are and that a fight between the two wouldn't be solved by opening a black hole, especially if killing isn't the goal for either side.

 

[Killigraphy]

I'm not arguing that that kinda shyt isn't in their abilities, just that some of you are underestimating how strong dbz characters are and that a fight between the two wouldn't be solved by opening a black hole, especially if killing isn't the goal for either side.

At that point you're bringing morality of the character insofar being way too meta in the process. The point is that both characters are fighting, not that "they would never fight each other they stand for the same thing", that's irrelevant in this conversation and in the picture alone. As for how strong the character are, we can only assume that Goku can't beat Gods or their protege's who are "near-top tier", that much is fact. Dr. Doom, Sentry, Thor, etc have beaten Gods. This is of course ignoring inconsistencies both the cartoons and comics fall into from time to time. On a sheer power level point alone, Gokua is strong, but he's no god killer.

 

[5n0man]

If anything these kinds of discussions boil down to power and feats. We have to ignore what ifs, moral compass of character and or who they lost to. Comic writers have already expressed that if they need to, they will kill Captain America 10+ times to sell more. We have to approach the issue like Screw Attack on youtube would. With that said; DBZ characters need to eat, breathe, and suffer from cuts, burns, bruises, broken bones, and I'm sure the effect of radiation....

Goku and Veggie are catching that L due to guys Silver Surfer and Doom alone.

When you boil it down to just powers a feats you kinda have to ask why dont these marvel characters deal with every problem as they did their most impressive feat. Feats are done under certain extreme senarios and situations, just cause dbz plot has never took the storyline to where goku had to hold two planets together, doesn't mean it's not possible.

DBZ characters may not have the damage threshold of some of the highest marvel characters but they have been shown to be fast and strong enough to deal with issues like oxygen/ burns before it becomes a real issue, I agree that they would be stopped by power draining entities and reality warpers for obvious reasons, but you act like goku couldn't be anywhere at anytime he needed to be, including other worldly dimensions like hell.

 

[5n0man]

At that point you're bringing morality of the character insofar being way too meta in the process. The point is that both characters are fighting, not that "they would never fight each other they stand for the same thing", that's irrelevant in this conversation and in the picture alone.

In the picture, goku even says not to hurt them too bad, if we are going by that picture we have to assume the goal isn't killing,


So, yes, that is relevant to the conversation.

also if we were to go by the literal interpretation of that picture, no way could goku and vegeta take to the entire marvel universe at the same time

As for how strong the character are, we can only assume that Goku can't beat Gods or their protege's who are "near-top tier", that much is fact. Dr. Doom, Sentry, Thor, etc have beaten Gods. This is of course ignoring inconsistencies both the cartoons and comics fall into from time to time. On a sheer power level point alone, Gokua is strong, but he's no god killer.

the "god" your talking about was about to destroy the universe by tapping on a table

saying goku isn't that strong doesn't really say much, considering you could probably count on one hand the amount of marvel characters with that level of power.

Dr doom is basically batman of the Marvel universe, I'm tired of hearing the rediculous shyt he does with his prep time.

I don't think any one of those three could beat goku

 

[Killigraphy]

When you boil it down to just powers a feats you kinda have to ask why dont these marvel characters deal with every problem as they did their most impressive feat. Feats are done under certain extreme senarios and situations, just cause dbz plot has never took the storyline to where goku had to hold two planets together, doesn't mean it's not possible.

Again, you're drifting into the meta. "Feats" in comics and cartoons are the only thing with "weight" obviously Goku for example; taking on and killing someone who can kill a planet is impressive by itself. It's also a barometer, it lets us know that they're gonna have to scale up their next villain, moreover those feats Goku has performed stay true (those and not the ones with plotholes you can drive a truck through). Who he's beaten is a clear indicator of his strength...

Then there's science...

DBZ characters may not have the damage threshold of some of the highest marvel characters but they have been shown to be fast and strong enough to deal with issues like oxygen/ burns before it becomes a real issue, I agree that they would be stopped by power draining entities and reality warpers for obvious reasons, but you act like goku couldn't be anywhere at anytime he needed to be, including other worldly dimensions like hell.

Goku could be anywhere at anytime he needed to be....except, it isn't enough.

 

[Killigraphy]

In the picture, goku even says not to hurt them too bad, if we are going by that picture we have to assume the goal isn't killing,


So, yes, that is relevant to the conversation.

Either way, they both lose. Keep in mind that Silver Surfer can drain the energy from all entities ala the Hulk fight, I mentioned this before, he doesn't have to kill them, they would just be really really tired.

the "god" your talking about was about to destroy the universe by tapping on a table

saying goku isn't that strong doesn't really say much, considering you could probably count on one hand the amount of marvel characters with that level of power.

Actually it does, its a barometer like I keep mentioning, it's also a point of reference, he can't kill a god its that plain and simple. Using that evidence, its a safe bet that he couldn't kill the Gods in Marvel.

Dr doom is basically batman of the Marvel universe, I'm tired of hearing the rediculous shyt he does with his prep time.

I can keep referencing more characters but I like to keep it simple. Would you prefer Odin?, Vulcan?, Sentry? or even Emma Frost? The list goes on and on.

I don't think any one of those three could beat goku

Then you're either; trolling, not doing the research, or ignorant to some very concrete numbers and or facts.

 

[5n0man]

Either way, they both lose. Keep in mind that Silver Surfer can drain the energy from all entities ala the Hulk fight, I mentioned this before, he doesn't have to kill them, they would just be really really tired.

I've already mentioned that they would be defeated by all energy draining foes. What's your point?
I've already stated that goku would have been able to kill the hulk before he turn super saiyan.

Actually it does, its a barometer like I keep mentioning, it's also a point of reference, he can't kill a god its that plain and simple. Using that evidence, its a safe bet that he couldn't kill the Gods in Marvel.

No its not a safe bet, first these universes are vastly different, you can't say any of those dudes like doom would have been able to beat bills either.

King Kai was a god a goku could easily beat him, does that means he's strong enough to beat a god?

When people like Dr doom beat Gods it's due to plot devices, and prep time, it's never in a straight up fist fight like goku.

Then you're either; trolling, not doing the research, or ignorant to some very concrete numbers and or facts.

Please tell me your not about to start using "science and factual numbers" for fictional comicbook characters breh.

I can keep referencing more characters but I like to keep it simple. Would you prefer Odin?, Vulcan?, Sentry? or even Emma Frost? The list goes on and on.

Vulcan? Yes the other guys no.
I never claimed they were stronger than anyone in the Marvel universe