Welfare is easily one of the worst things to happen to black people. If y'all nikkas can't admit that, then you're dense.
Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.
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We still can't totally neglect the social side of a system regardless of complacency and abuse (which is probably overblown to begin with).
There is never going to be a "pure" form of anything, economies are always going to be mixed. People who sink don't just vanish, it has to be dealt with or else. Welfare is a small way to deal with the less fortunate
I agree that we should help, I don't think welfare helps though. Last ~50 yrs for black Americans are proof of that. Govt makes no earnest effort to get people OFF welfare, which is the only way welfare will work to actually break the cycle of poverty.
Financial assistance is still necessary IMO but it has to be part of a coordinated transition from poverty to middle class employment.
A higher proportion of blacks are on welfare than whites, sir.
Are you serious ?! You think low performance is the only reason why people lose jobs
What about when companies go bust ?!
They become homeless and homelessness is a bigger financial and crime burden than section 8 ever will be...
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Everybody knows that, shut the fukk up with that internet dumb smart nikka knowledge.
The black family structure is way way worst than it was 40-50 years ago, that's a fact and that was also after slavery.
Why did black families fall apart more in the last 40 years when they were farther away chronologically from the events of slavery and Jim Crow?
Ya'll nikkas don't go by numbers, ya'll go by feelings like females.
White poverty and black poverty are the same thing. Media just demonizes one while being mum on the other.
And big business loves welfare because it bolsters their profits. I think in 2013 Walmart's profits were about equal to what it took in from products purchased by welfare.
None of this changes the fact that welfare w/no programs to help folks transition off it into employment doesn't do much but deepen the cycles of poverty. At the minimum welfare should be some kind of work to welfare program; ideally IMO govt would be paying people to complete their education and either get degrees or learn trades.
1. The traditional "white people do it too!" argument.
If white people collectively jumped off a bridge, does that mean the black community has to or should do so also? If white dudes started going to gay bars en masse just for fun, does that mean black dudes have to do it en masse too? 
Blacks and whites have 2 very distinguishable histories.2. Sowell was saying that welfare subsidizes the wrong things. To an extent, he is correct when you consider that our people (already systematically oppressed) have the option of taking "the easy way out" by relying on systematic racism as a reason to not apply ourselves and be happy that we're collecting government funds (and in some cases, housing and food). By participating in welfare (and sometimes abusing it) we continue to lose even more ground instead of becoming more active participants in the capitalist society we live in.
3. I believe that bail-out programs, grants, subsidies etc. for businesses are also wrong. But then again, there's the argument that businesses create money for the government and boost the economy by creating jobs, etc. (unlike people in poverty). But I'm still trying to figure out where I stand on welfare for businesses.
What social factors would you consider? Because I bet many of them ultimately boil down to (or can be ameliorated by) individual choices.
Pinpointing welfare as the single reason for black disenfranchisement is lazy and short-sighted. Most black people aren't on welfare and never have been, and yet, we still don't have much of a concrete, concentrated economic foundation
Alot of people of fail to get off of welfare are plagued with the same problem as most all Americans: Stagnant or stunted social mobility
This current system needs people at the bottom. Welfare has little to do with black people failing as a group
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He made a statement on the black family and stated that welfare has done more to tear that down than slavery, the black family structure is worst now than it was in 1920, 1960, and that was all after slavery. Why did black living conditions improve but the family structure fell apart?
You guys are bringing up stuff not even mentioned in the OP
Handouts aren't bad when you overall have winning strategies to accomplish your goal. They're bad when you have losing strategies and dysfunctional behavior, then the welfare acts as a safety net to keep you from feeling the consequences of your behavior?
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Either that or layoffs or discrimination.
There are legal remedies for job discrimination.
And in the case of layoffs, my position is still the same.
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Okay mr go by the numbers, lets see those numbers.
Lets assume that yes in fact the black family has been falling apart more in the last 40 years.
The black family is (pre recession) the richest and most powerful it has ever been, statistically. In fact, black people are better off now than they were in the 60s in every single measurable statistical category
So why can't I, according to your conclusion, make the lonk that it was the black family holding black people back, and once we get rid of it black people will continue to get richer?
You see my brother, just because thongs appear to be happening at the same time, and appear to be related, does not mean they are caused by one or the other. Its called correlation and causation.
