Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[thirdeye]

Do people understand that cutting the milltary budget effects people just as much as it woild cutting welfare?

 

[William F. Russell]

I.e make it harder to claim.

If you were to remodel the system what would be your guideline?

Does the man who has paid into the system for 20 years not get it because he isn't impoverished enough.

How will you ideally have the system so people don't exploit it?

I'd lower the poverty line qualification.

And yes, the man who paid into it for 20 years doesn't get it. It's no different than how we're paying into social security now and will likely not get any of it when it's our retirement age.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Sorry to be mean, but people who either agree or partially agree with Sowell just arent very bright.

His premise is dysfunctional and completely incoherent. Hes taking unique historical variables specific to one group: Jim Crow and slavery, and he's conflating that with a general socio-economic variable of welfare thats available to all. And yet he considers the unique variables an "excuse" for consumption of the general variable, without measuring its explanatory, response value, or interactions. It would be like saying people who use canes are lazier than people who dont have to use canes, w/o further explanation, when the former had their eyes gouged out.

@Scientific Playa beat me to it. Redlining was a policy designed specifically to destroy the economic potential and stability of black neighborhoods, so we're not talking capitalism anymore but sabotage. Neighborhoods were no go zones for lending or investment...you couldnt get insurance for a business, and you couldnt obtain mortgages on homes. Businesses moved, Renters bounced to places they could buy, and landlords became slumlords. Black neighborhoods became jobless hellholes: enter welfare.

In the 1950s, statistical and observational analysis predicted these problems. Empiricists understood that imaginative policies against blacks, both public and private, were designed to isolate and economically depress black people suppressing mobility and growth.

I could write a novel on this, but first no one would read it here, and why do so when Sowell is a noted liar, and only produces works designed to continue antebellum narratives against blacks that have been transmitted and have survived from generation to generation. Racist notions of blacks being lazy and dumb dont die, they modify.

C/T...Rafters....Next Discussion.

 

[ignorethis]

How do you guys make threads about people and not have their bio on hand? Wiki him. Tommy is a cac at heart.

No no no no, Tommy has never been on some fukk black people shyt.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Hard times are a reality and, instead of ignoring people who need help, welfare addresses a problem

You can't be a nation spending money on war and giving out aid by the trillions to allies but be incapable of helping the people who need it



Welfare is being used as a scapegoat for the real culprit: supremacy and deliberate sabotage to ruin the black "community"

We shouldnt need help. And in any case welfare is not the help we need. Black people need financial independence and a sense of pride and unity. Welfare undermines all that.

 

[Theraflu]

I'd lower the poverty line qualification.

And yes, the man who paid into it for 20 years doesn't get it. It's no different than how we're paying into social security now and will likely not get any of it when it's our retirement age.

Do you have any issues with this?

The notion of you not seeing your social security?

I have to disagree I think if a person loses their job they should be entitled to government assistance

 

[DEAD7]

that statistic isn't going anywhere.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

You're shifting the discussion... but it is headed there anyway so

It isn't "something", its white supremacy. Plain and simple.

Well that's what I was getting at, I mean with using deductive reasoning you have to wonder why one certain race is impacted by and relies more on welfare than other races. But Sowell is removing racial issues (Jim Crow and Slavery) in the past as a possible reason for why welfare is an issue.

 

[Digga38]

Yes.

 

[William F. Russell]

Sorry to be mean, but people who either agree or partially agree with Sowell just arent very bright.

His premise is dysfunctional and completely incoherent. Hes taking unique historical variables specific to one group: Jim Crow and slavery, and he's conflating that with a general socio-economic variable of welfare thats available to all. And yet he considers the unique variables an "excuse" for consumption of the general variable, without measuring its explanatory, response value, or interactions. It would be like saying people who use canes are lazier than people who dont have to use canes, w/o further explanation, when the former had their eyes gouged out.

@Scientific Playa beat me to it. Redlining was a policy designed specifically to destroy the economic potential and stability of black neighborhoods, so we're not talking capitalism anymore but sabotage. Neighborhoods were no go zones for lending or investment...you couldnt get insurance for a business, and you couldnt obtain mortgages on homes. Businesses moved, Renters bounced to places they could buy, and landlords became slumlords. Black neighborhoods became jobless hellholes: enter welfare.

In the 1950s, statistical and observational analysis predicted these problems. Empiricists understood that imaginative policies against blacks, both public and private, were designed to isolate and economically depress black people suppressing mobility and growth.

I could write a novel on this, but first no one would read it here, and why do so when Sowell is a noted liar, and only produces works designed to continue antebellum narratives against blacks that have been transmitted and have survived from generation to generation. Racist notions of blacks being lazy and dumb dont die, they modify.

C/T...Rafters....Next Discussion.

But not really. Dude's saying nothing.

 

[Gravity]

He's basically right. Welfare is nothing but a tool for systematic white supremacy used to pacify blacks and keep them asleep.

 

[ignorethis]

Well that's what I was getting at, I mean with using deductive reasoning you have to wonder why one certain race is impacted by and relies more on welfare than other races. But Sowell is removing racial issues (Jim Crow and Slavery) in the past as a possible reason for why welfare is an issue.

Jim Crow and Slavery effects still linger, but it doesn't change the fact the welfare is a crutch, that a lot of people abuse, and subsidizes a lot of bad behavior. And the crazy thing is even a lot of black people feel that way, not the just middle class ones, a lot of nikkas in the hood disagree with how much welfare props certain people up; but conservative have burnt their bridges with black so much most black would never vote for them even if they agree on a few key points.

The idea of black being for welfare, and evil whites trying to take it away is a myth/exaggeration

But not really. Dude's saying nothing.

He really didn't say anything to prove welfare isn't a crutch.

 

[William F. Russell]

Do you have any issues with this?

The notion of you not seeing your social security?

Yes, but I nor the average american citizen can't do anything about it. It's going to happen.

I have to disagree I think if a person loses their job they should be entitled to government assistance

Or that person can obtain additional training and education to develop the skills demanded by the market.

 

[Broke Wave]

Hes an old c00n and a Moron

This dude said welfare was worse for blacks than slavery and you expect me to entertain this bullshyt?

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

We shouldnt need help. And in any case welfare is not the help we need. Black people need financial independence and a sense of pride and unity. Welfare undermines all that.

"Shouldn't" and reality are two different things. People are in tough positions for a number of different reasons and we live in country that can afford to help

It's not a black issue, poverty is universal in every system, but especially one designed for it to be so