Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[No_bammer_weed]

Like many others have said in this thread, it does in certain situations, and only somebody that hasn't been around welfare would think this is true.

My mom was on welfare for a good 2 years after she got laid off, and the only requirement was that she had to apply for work biweekly, she had received a couple of offers but she never accepted between them not paying as much as her former MRI tech job and her being content with the benefits she was getting as a mother of 4 with the father not being in the house.

Keep in mind this is a college educated woman with a degree, all her job offers started at $22/hour; it much worst for woman would wouldn't even make that much.

I'm pretty sure some of ya'll have never even lived in a lower-class black area to be speaking on how to fix the problems. Because saying "welfare can't affect people decisions to work" is some dumb liberal ideologue shyt, not rooted in reality at all.

Sounds like she was receiving unemployment benefits, and she eventually went to work. Im failing to see the problem here. Those benefits went to good use as they were pumped right back into the economy benefitting us all. Those benefits allowed her security and granted her patience.

We we talk about de-incentivizing work, we're acting as if black people have $22 hr jobs, or something comparable, that are accessible, and yet we and we alone chose to exist on welfare benefits that are a fraction of that pay rate.

You keep trying to pull this corny rank that you grew up in the hood, and supposedly none of us did so you have all this inside knowledge..so with that how many great jobs were available in your hood that blacks were passing up for the purpose of laying around and existing on welfare? Was your hood a vibrant source of employment opportunities and economic activity? Or does welfare have some sort of relationship with the lack of opportunity present in many black neighborhoods?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

People make decisions that result in abuse of the system. Whether out of laziness, sense of hopelessness, or lack of self-esteem, some people remain content collecting government money and food stamps and living in free housing.

Black people are human. Humans are rational. They maximize their potential and opportunities when presented. Rational choice theory. You're going to want more rather than less. Its not rational for to purposely avoid a path that would lead to a nice stable career, with appealing earning potential, for a life of existing on welfare and basically the bottom of the barrel. With your theories, you guys continue to box yourself into the realm of extreme white supremacy --- sad thing is at least most racists will at least admit to it, and yet you guys lie to yourselves.

 

[ignorethis]

Broken family does affect us greatly. No one is arguing it doesnt. We are simply saying welfare is not the primary cause of the broken family. More than welfare, it's economics. In as much as redlining and the gi bill destroyed the ability of black families to pass on wealth from one generation to another it is not spilled milk but something we deal with today. If a black family could bequieth 100K to their daughter at marriage is she then avoiding marriage for welfare? No.

You say yourself black people are on welfare more, do you ask yourself why? If you stop at culture I'm convinced you are a cac.

Blacks are on welfare more because we're poorer, we're poorer our progress was been stunted by government policy decades ago. That's accept.
The problems is even after those policies were removed and replaced with policies benefiting blacks, we have made very little progress in closing gaps between us and whites.

The only groups of blacks that has made progress in closing the racial gaps are married and educated black families and their children
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/families/

If you looked at the stats and saw that "hey, blacks that are married are doing way better other blacks, hell and they do really good when they have an education, hell even their children achieve and accomplished more" what you concluded?
Are those blacks not descendants and victims of the same racist policies that every other black endured? He just concluded if blacks have a traditional

Like I said and posted links, Thomas Sowell has never attacked blacks as a whole, he has attacked the so called "black leadership", but most of the people on this forum would agree with him on that. A lot of this work is on black students and our failures as adults and government to them, and the ability that black students have to achieve with less than their peers, he never even attacks the behavior of black students overall when most of us that have gone to a black school know that student behavior is a issue as well. He attacks liberals for closing down minority charter schools that have high achievement rates, because they don't agree with charter schools; he attacks liberals because he feels they're essentially replacing the black father with welfare.

But he does not ATTACK blacks!

 

[ignorethis]

Sounds like she was receiving unemployment benefits, and she eventually went to work. Im failing to see the problem here. Those benefits went to good use as they were pumped right back into the economy benefitting us all. Those benefits allowed her security and granted her patience.

We we talk about de-incentivizing work, we're acting as if black people have $22 hr jobs, or something comparable, that are accessible, and yet we and we alone chose to exist on welfare benefits that are a fraction of that pay rate.

You keep trying to pull this corny rank that you grew up in the hood, and supposedly none of us did so you have all this inside knowledge..so with that how many great jobs were available in your hood that blacks were passing up for the purpose of laying around and existing on welfare? Was your hood a vibrant source of employment opportunities and economic activity? Or does welfare have some sort of relationship with the lack of opportunity present in many black neighborhoods?

She received unemployment along with (SNAP) food stamps, Harris County Gold Card, and Housing assistance.
Nah she never returned to work, she has a business now that me and dad my help her fund, but this was only after my lil siblings and I all left to college, my dad moved back in, and her benefits were cut.
And you once again avoid the point, the point is my mom was comfortable on welfare with much better unemployment opportunities than most black women, especially single black mothers; and you're trying to say a women whose only option is fast food work would rather work at McDonald's than live off the benefits that she received for having children? Oh okay

And somebody got offend because I pulled his card on not knowing shyt about lower class blacks outside what he watches on TV . No wonder you're always spouting liberal bullshyt that no nikka in the real world agrees with, you're one of the dweebs that was scared of other black kids growing up. Probably became passionately black in college, ol' Toure' ass nikka

 

[ignorethis]

Black people are human. Humans are rational. They maximize their potential and opportunities when presented. Rational choice theory. You're going to want more rather than less. Its not rational for to purposely avoid a path that would lead to a nice stable career, with appealing earning potential, for a life of existing on welfare and basically the bottom of the barrel. With your theories, you guys continue to box yourself into the realm of extreme white supremacy --- sad thing is at least most racists will at least admit to it, and yet you guys lie to yourselves.

this nikka has never lived around black people on welfare

Can't argue with people that don't know reality, versus what they read on Huffington Post.

 

[William F. Russell]

Black people are human. Humans are rational. They maximize their potential and opportunities when presented. Rational choice theory. You're going to want more rather than less. Its not rational for to purposely avoid a path that would lead to a nice stable career, with appealing earning potential, for a life of existing on welfare and basically the bottom of the barrel. With your theories, you guys continue to box yourself into the realm of extreme white supremacy --- sad thing is at least most racists will at least admit to it, and yet you guys lie to yourselves.

Not everybody is rational, buddy.

And as to the bolded ad-hominem attacks:

 

[William F. Russell]

this nikka has never live around black people on welfare

He's a negro psuedo-intellectual that's so far removed from black people. No wonder he sounds no different than a white liberal who spouts all-inclusive nonsense but wouldn't be caught dead in a mostly-black area.

 

[Robbie3000]

Blacks are on welfare more because we're poorer, we're poorer our progress was been stunted by government policy decades ago. That's accept.
The problems is even after those policies were removed and replaced with policies benefiting blacks, we have made very little progress in closing gaps between us and whites.

The only groups of blacks that has made progress in closing the racial gaps are married and educated black families and their children
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/families/

If you looked at the stats and saw that "hey, blacks that are married are doing way better other blacks, hell and they do really good when they have an education, hell even their children achieve and accomplished more" what you concluded?
Are those blacks not descendants and victims of the same racist policies that every other black endured? He just concluded if blacks have a traditional

Like I said and posted links, Thomas Sowell has never attacked blacks as a whole, he has attacked the so called "black leadership", but most of the people on this forum would agree with him on that. A lot of this work is on black students and our failures as adults and government to them, and the ability that black students have to achieve with less than their peers, he never even attacks the behavior of black students overall when most of us that have gone to a black school know that student behavior is a issue as well. He attacks liberals for closing down minority charter schools that have high achievement rates, because they don't agree with charter schools; he attacks liberals because he feels they're essentially replacing the black father with welfare.

But he does not ATTACK blacks!

Of course he doesn't.

Maybe their is another reason why he has such a large white conservative following.

If you see a black conservative with a large white conservative following and a platform, you best believe he's going ham on attacking black people and feeding nothing but certified Grade A red meat. That's the gig.

 

[William F. Russell]

@No_bammer_weed probably found out that he was black when he got to college.

 

[William F. Russell]

Of course he doesn't.

Maybe their is another reason why he has such a large white conservative following.

If you see a black conservative with a large white conservative following and a platform, you best believe he's going ham on attacking black people and feeding nothing but certified Grade A red meat. That's the gig.

I'd hazard a guess that he has a sizeable black conservative following also.

I don't know why you think liberal = good. Liberal policies haven't necessarily benefited the black community.

 

[DEAD7]

@ how another good discussion has turned into nothing but personal attacks.

 

[ignorethis]

Of course he doesn't.

Maybe their is another reason why he has such a large white conservative following.

If you see a black conservative with a large white conservative following and a platform, you best believe he's going ham on attacking black people and feeding nothing but certified Grade A red meat. That's the gig.

Whites like him because he's take the burden of uplifting and helping blacksoff the shoulders of whites and places it on blacks, but this is something people on this forums say we need to do all the time, this is something black nationalist say all the time.
Yea he kinda panders to whites, but the message is the same, It's only offensive to ya'll because he identifies as a conservative and it feels like he's airing out our dirty laundry due to the fact a lot of whites read his articles.

Keep acting like he isn't the same dude that wrote "Black Excellence: The Case of Dunbar High School" and "Race and Economics"

His whole message is black achieve equivalent or more than whites when put into similar situation as white in relation to family and education. Like I said most of his work only mentions blacks in regards to education and failing family structure. He attacks dudes like Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as well which is another reason that white take to him, but we attack those dudes all the time on here, so what's the issue?

 

[William F. Russell]

@ how another good discussion has turned into nothing but personal attacks.

I acknowledge my part in it. But I was responding in kind to trolls who can't stay on point and swear that people who disagree with them subscribe to white supremacy.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

this nikka has never live around black people on welfare

Can't argue with people that don't know reality, versus what they read on Huffington Post.

Well then just talk about you and your sorry ass circle of black people. Dont talk about all black people as a whole. Be specific about what you know and what you were exposed to rather than smearing black people with your bullsht racist canards. Fukk outta here trying to justify your alignment with neo-confederacy bullshyt just because you personally grew up with no account low lifes. My personal experience is that black people are the same as any other group of human...just as hard working, talented, ....just as moral and decent. Individual circumstances produce divergent individual outcomes, but all this corny ass racism from you and your buddy is fukkin weak minded and pathetic. Reality my ass. Weak ass, low self esteem, self hate nonsense is what this is. I hope you two are really just a couple of bytch ass cacs.

 

[Robbie3000]

I'd hazard a guess that he has a sizeable black conservative following also.

I don't know why you think liberal = good. Liberal policies haven't necessarily benefited the black community.

A sizable black conservative following is like someone proclaiming to be the tallest midget in the world. It's minuscule. And that's because most black people use common sense and can sense the hatred and resentment from conservatives. It's one of the reasons the Democrat party receives such a large portion of the black vote. As far liberalism, some liberal policies work and some don't, but Liberal aspirations at their best are progressive while conservative aspirations at their best either maintain the status quo or are regressive.

Most of the most landmark moments in this country were a result of Liberal ideas triumphing over conservative ones. Abolition movement, Civil Wary, Civil Rights, Women's Rights, Gay Rights etc. At each point Liberals had to pull conservatives kicking and screaming into creating a better society. Conservatives are constantly wrong.