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[MIAlien]

Bro, I addressed everything in your post already. Everyone has negative articles. I have never seen such a steady stream based on one event. I don't think you guys understand what I'm saying when I say this shyt is ubiquitous. Verge, TechCrunch, Gawker, Slate, The Atlantic, every fukking thing that I read. That's why I was like damn...aight I get it. It is especially remarkable because most people do not know what Tidal is, and Spotify's new thing to add is, you guessed it, videos like Tidal

This is spot on. Jay tweeted about a smear campaign in the midst of all of that negative media. I'm willing to bet it's Apple because they don't want anyone in the way of their Beats relaunch. But these idiots are just letting the media tell them whether it's successful or not, with no receipts...

They haven't even hired a new CEO.

I guess we can revisit this in a year when they've got 2 million+ subscribers.

 

[Will Ross]

Bro, I addressed everything in your post already. Everyone has negative articles. I have never seen such a steady stream based on one event. I don't think you guys understand what I'm saying when I say this shyt is ubiquitous. Verge, TechCrunch, Gawker, Slate, The Atlantic, every fukking thing that I read. That's why I was like damn...aight I get it. It is especially remarkable because most people do not know what Tidal is, and Spotify's new thing to add is, you guessed it, videos like Tidal

Negative article get more clicks than postive ones. But Tidel is not getting any more hate than any other teach company that comes out with a bad launch.

 

[ML29]

I watched the super exclusive bsides concert on YOUTUBE

the audio was available to download on soundcloud within hours after the performence.

 

[Llcoolbay]

Jay should just lower the price and raise it slowly if he wanna compete.

Also gotta offer incentives to people outside his immediate consumer market.

 

[Mike Otherz]

It's c00nish as fukk though, why would anyone be happy for a black businessman not beating a Swedish company backed by Goldman Sachs?

That presentation is one thing, I won't support it but I wish him all the best against the big players. But why the fukk have I not seen any articles about Spotify and them? Telling them that no one wants to pay for music, slamming their CEOs, saying that Google and Apple are out of touch and on. Too many nikkas hate to see nikkas succeed, I doubt Chinese people are dropping articles about how Jack Ma is just ripping of American businesses and selling it in China. That's why we have these fools always trying to rob rappers, snuff rappers, take rappers chains and on.

its almost like nikkas are like “jay z is too uppity,he should play his position” this some straight up stephen from django type ish. its one thing to not fx with tidal but too root against it?

 

[Mike Otherz]

People keep harping on "Worst thing in music history" because it's obviously
hyperbolic bullshyt which isn't even remotely close to accurate.

There is no mention of the record label model taking a massive blow and several
majors closing shop, just 40 years ago there were several, now we've only got 3.
The power of clearl channel and how they dictate radio.
The value of music essentially dropping to zero with the coming of Napster and the continued
devaluation through p2p file sharing and the rise of torrents and file sharing sites.
Nor the various tragedies in the industry for instance what about Marvin Gaye ? John Lennon ? Bob Marley ?
Frankie Lymon ? Tupac ? Biggie ? Kurt Cobain ? Sid and Nancy ? And so many more ?


With that said I think they have a pretty competitive platform.

People already watch tons of artist generated content on youtube and they've provoen that they'll gladly
stream concerts and albums as well.
Hopsin for example managed to conjure up 14 million views for one of his last videos. Imagine if he was on a service that paid
out more handsomely than youtube does (he's independent so he'd eat considerably well off of it.)

When you put all of this under one roof instead of splitting it between different platforms TicketMaster/Youtube/Spotify
you've got a place for the fan to have what is essentially a "One stop shop".
On top of that he's giving all of this for just $10, think about that, nowadays people will pay $200 and up
to see their favorite artists in concert.

But if they can listen to that album, get discount tickets or a live stream AND exclusive content ? That's DOPE.
Spotify simply doesn't offer that, I mean if we're looking at Tidal and their plans to roll out more over time there's
just no comparison.
And since you pointed out that no one is defending "Tidal", did you notice none of these things were mentioned
in the article in question ?

These hit piece articles don't mention that because the point of the article is to slander Tidal and Jay-Z and put
him in the light of a "Snake" or a "Guy who just wants more money". The sort of stuff that the CEO of apple
or Google will never hear despite them holding positions in companies worth more than Jay-Z several times over.

in a fair world, you should write for a new yorker level publication, casue these was facts laid out elegantly. might be too honest to get a job in mainstream media though.

 

[Mike Otherz]

Breh.
In 2015 are people going out of their way to say "I'm not buying an Xbox one because Bill Gates is already rich" ?
In 2015 are people going out of their way to say "I'm not buyin an Iphone because the ceo of Apple is already rich" ?


You're missing the point here, it isn't just about people slandering Jay-Z.
It's about unfounded attacks, you didn't touch anything else in my post which directly addressed
those things.Tidal does great shyt from what we're hearing and what they're already delivering. They weren't lying about their concepts, two streaming concerts thus far, exclusive videos and the plan to roll out more.

People aren't judging Tidal as a service, they're looking at it as the trojan horse for greedy artists, it's inaccurate description and it muddles the conversation.

exactly, what was the reaction in the media when jay announced the b sides concerts? it was slanted coverage like “ these people arent falling for jay-z b sides …….” and grantlands, "how can we extort more shyt from an increasingly desperate jay z." who else gets a reaction to a concert announcemnt like that? the narrative has been set and its not turning back anytime soon.

y’all keep blaming the roll out but im not even sure that true, fact is, media can turn everything you do into a “bad roll out”. its easy in hindsight to say they should have done this and done that, but once the media decides it hates you, aint nothing you can do. they did the same shyt with Oprahs OWN by the way. did she have a bad roll out? Oprah? the queen of knowing how to communicate with people? nah B.

 

[Insensitive]

Blame them for bad advertising. In 2015 , people aren't paying attention to the CEO's like that because they know how to get out of the way of their product. and you are crazy if you think any of those CEO's wouldn't get the same treatment if they started playing the underdog every time they tried to launch a new product.

He's not "playing the underdog", in this arena HE and his service Tidal ARE the underdog.

and you must of forgot when Microsoft received ton of backlash when they introduced the Xbox one

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/7/4406170/xbox-one-internet-trade-policy

I didn't forget, I was front and center when it happened the criticism didn't involve PEOPLE, it involved POLICIES.

Do you see the difference here ?

"After a month of vague corporate comments from Microsoft executives, we now know the Xbox One's game licensing policy was written from the ground up for companies. It's aggressively anti-consumer and anti-middle class, and it outright ignores underprivileged gamers. It's gross, despicable, greedy, pathetic, cowardly and out of touch with a growing global resentment for corporations."

Exactly my point.

And to address your first point, None of those company CEO's have advertising that makes you feel like you are donating or some freedom fighter. Nobody feels like they are taking a "stand" when buying a Xbox. Go back and watch the commercial and come back and tell me what you took away from it.

I honestly want to hear your opinion on this

So your first post in this thread was about how people aren't talking about Tidal, then when people
talk about tidal you shift the focus BACK to Jay-Z ?


Also I completely disagree with the idea there aren't companies pushing that sorta stance
with their products. The "Revolutionary" stance seems to be a common theme these days.
And personally I think it's chosen because it appeals to this generation.
Don't believe me ?
Check it out :




The complaints about price also fall to pieces because that's been addressed several times
in this thread and others. These should've dissipated with the announcement of the $10 plan but too
many people still believe the service costs $20 and up.

As for my opinion on the video I feel it was a great video
Other peoples cynicism and distrust of entertainers has no bearing on how
I interpret it especially when these same people hoist unusual amounts of trust into
nameless faceless corporations which can fit their criticisms to a T.

I also agree with their stance that Music much like Film is basically playing
follow the leader with tech companies because they control that space and are
currently determining the value of Media. Media which they place at a value much lower than
their digital storefronts and the hardware they create to run content from those
digital catalogs.

 

[Anti-Anime]

Jayz fukked Nas baby mama and left condoms on the baby seat cuz Nas was competition and he wanted to crush Nas

stans getting butthurt - ✓

stans getting nas involved - ✓

 

[African Peasant]

I don't really care about the so called power moves these dudes are making.

The day they will get together and create an h

And fatherless nikkas acting like Jay made tidal for black america


The nikka whole career is based on telling nikkas how they can't afford shyt he can

And making soulless music



U dudes really be invested in celebs and corporations
like u hold stock

Dudes be posting that they "droid" or "Apple" team and shyt

Stannery for corporations is something I can't understand.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Yall black people need to wake up and realize this shyt bigger than Jay dumb fukkas

I don't agree with his business model, but at the same time I see what's going on. These cacs aint slick at all.

Problem is that Tidal is going up against a "free" Spotify. That's a losing battle especially with no "free" version of Tidal.

If Spotify truly becomes a pay service, I'm switching to Tidal. No questions asked. At least with Jay, I know he contributes to our communities. The rest of these mufukkaz sure as fukk don't and don't care.

If it comes down to paying, would you rather put your money in the hands of people who don't give a fukk about you or someone who does. They all want your money, but who is going to give something back. We all know the answer....

 

[DrX]

jay is like stringer bell, hes way over his head


cacs loved jay when he was getting $ talking about selling drugs

 

[WhodatWhoadi]

haha you stans are in real denial

so it wasn;t the shytty business model huh?

It was all on the CACs

shyts funny... it was doomed from the start..No Matter who came out with it...

it would still flop if paul mccartney was running it....

 

[DrX]

this is interesting tho on many levels

 

[RTF]

I don't agree with his business model, but at the same time I see what's going on. These cacs aint slick at all.

Problem is that Tidal is going up against a "free" Spotify. That's a losing battle especially with no "free" version of Tidal.

If Spotify truly becomes a pay service, I'm switching to Tidal. No questions asked. At least with Jay, I know he contributes to our communities. The rest of these mufukkaz sure as fukk don't and don't care.

If it comes down to paying, would you rather put your money in the hands of people who don't give a fukk about you or someone who does. They all want your money, but who is going to give something back. We all know the answer....

Who ever has the best service. I've been paying for Spotify for a couple years - all my friends are on Spotify and the service keeps getting better. From a service perspective Tidal seems like a copy-cat service which hasn't improved on the service in any way.... except if I wanted to spend twice the amount for Lossless.