Tim Duncan gets emotional when asked about final matchup with Kobe Bryant

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I'm just using their Kobestan logic against them. Of course it's all a team effort. Playoff basketball at the top level is never two stars playing one-on-one.

Either they have to acknowledge that teams win championships, not individuals, or they have to admit that prime Kobe goes three straight years without winning a playoff series, not the Lakers team.

I've never been a proponent of the idea that one player can win a ring by himself.






Why are we even talking about the 2007 or 2014 series? Spurs weren't playing the Lakers in either year.

Since I have no clue what da fukk you're trying to deflect with, I'll answer your question multiple ways.

Tim Duncan was FAR better and more important in the 2007 and 2014 Finals than Kobe was in the 2000 Finals. So if this is some sort of ridiculous ring-counting exercise, you're not taking from Duncan's 5 unless you're taking from Kobe too. And Duncan's still counting his 3 Finals MVP awards to Kobe's 2.


In 2007 Duncan was clearly the star and leader of the Spurs. 1st-team All-NBA, 1st-team All-Defensive, averaged 22-12-3-1-3 in the playoffs on 52% shooting. Parker didn't even make an All-NBA team that year (nor did anyone else on the Spurs). Parker got Finals MVP because he ripped up rookie Boobie Gibson in an easy 4-game sweep, but that doesn't change the fact that Duncan was the best player on that team by a long shot. (Pause to note that Boobie Gibson was 2nd in minutes, 3rd in scoring, and 2nd in assists for that Cleveland squad. :deadrose: As a fukking rookie! He wasn't even good later.)

In 2014 it was a bit less clear - in terms of offense, defense, and leadership, you had Duncan, Leonard, and Parker all about equally important. The offense was more running through Parker than running through Duncan even though they scored about the same (back then Kawhi just feasted on what they set up for him), and Duncan/Leonard were probably equally important on defense with very different roles. Duncan/Parker were still the leaders of the team.
Who exactly are these people who said Kobe won by himself?
 

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Who exactly are these people who said Kobe won by himself?

All this shyt started because people were saying "Kobe destroyed the Spurs in the playoffs!" and "Kobe is 4-2 versus Duncan in the playoffs!"

They talking like Kobe was guarding Duncan and individually outplayed him or some shyt. He didn't play any better than Duncan did head-to-head and he wasn't even the main focus of the Spurs defense (like Duncan was always the focus of the Laker defense), it was Shaq who made the difference 90% of the time.


Also, anyone who uses simple ring-counting or Finals records as the means for determining how great a player is. Both of which are frequent here, most often in Kobestan.

It's logically invalid unless a player can win by himself.


As long as the team matters, then posting things like "6>5" or "Lebron can't be great if he's 2-4 in the Finals!" without context is sheer stupidity.
 
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That was one series where they both balled out. Kobe was guarded the whole time by a 36-year-old ready-to-retire Bruce Bowen and feasted. Duncan put up ridiculous stat lines, but that was the year his supporting cast started aging out (Bowen, Finley, Barry, Horry all ready to retire yet Bowen and Finley starting and Barry was their #4 scorer). And Ginobli had a shyt series. Parker should have feasted against Fisher but laid an egg the first two games. I give Kobe credit for shooting well in that series, but it doesn't define their careers.

Some of the lines Duncan put up:

30-18-2-2-4
22-21-5
29-17-3-3-3
19-15-10

That was the ONE time that Kobe faced Duncan without Shaq, even though he's been balling 13 years since then and the Spurs made at least the 2nd round in 11 of those years.






And it sucks for them that that's been most of the time TheColi has been around.

That's why so many Kobestans have "4000 posts, 3000 daps, negative 2000 rep" stat lines. :lolbron:


Don't forget Giniboli was hurt that entire series.
 

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That was one series where they both balled out. Kobe was guarded the whole time by a 36-year-old ready-to-retire Bruce Bowen and feasted. Duncan put up ridiculous stat lines, but that was the year his supporting cast started aging out (Bowen, Finley, Barry, Horry all ready to retire yet Bowen and Finley starting and Barry was their #4 scorer). And Ginobli had a shyt series. Parker should have feasted against Fisher but laid an egg the first two games. I give Kobe credit for shooting well in that series, but it doesn't define their careers.

Some of the lines Duncan put up:

30-18-2-2-4
22-21-5
29-17-3-3-3
19-15-10

That was the ONE time that Kobe faced Duncan without Shaq, even though he's been balling 13 years since then and the Spurs made at least the 2nd round in 11 of those years.






And it sucks for them that that's been most of the time TheColi has been around.

That's why so many Kobestans have "4000 posts, 3000 daps, negative 2000 rep" stat lines. :lolbron:

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All this shyt started because people were saying "Kobe destroyed the Spurs in the playoffs!" and "Kobe is 4-2 versus Duncan in the playoffs!"

They talking like Kobe was guarding Duncan and individually outplayed him or some shyt. He didn't play any better than Duncan did head-to-head and he wasn't even the main focus of the Spurs defense (like Duncan was always the focus of the Laker defense), it was Shaq who made the difference 90% of the time.


Also, anyone who uses simple ring-counting or Finals records as the means for determining how great a player is. Both of which are frequent here, most often in Kobestan.

It's logically invalid unless a player can win by himself.


As long as the team matters, then posting things like "6>5" or "Lebron can't be great if he's 2-4 in the Finals!" without context is sheer stupidity.
Who are these people who said Kobe won by himself? You made the claim. Back your shyt up.
 

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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :yeshrug:
You specifically said people said Kobe won alone. Who exactly are these people? Oh, there aren't any. Like the usual putas, you just make some shyt up hoping it will stick thinking you won't get checked on it. Thats why posts like yours are not to be taken seriously.
 

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You specifically said people said Kobe won alone. Who exactly are these people? Oh, there aren't any. Like the usual putas, you just make some shyt up hoping it will stick thinking you won't get checked on it. Thats why posts like yours are not to be taken seriously.

No, I did not specifically say that anywhere. Go ahead and try to quote where I specifically said "people said Kobe won alone".

First, you falsely insinuated that I had said that.

Then, I showed you that the logic of their statements implied it, which is all I had ever done.

Then you turn around and act like I had to defend a specific statement I never made, that only YOU have put in anyone's mouth.


Typical Kobestan posting. He says something he thinks is true, then 10 minutes later he's quoting his own statement as if it were a demonstrated public fact when his mouth is the only one it's come out of. :dead:


Then he says, "Like the usual putas, you just make some shyt up hoping it will stick thinking you won't get checked on it." As if he's not the one doing exactly that at this very moment. :dead::dead:


The best part is, he'll either:

A) Not realize it, because he's a Kobestan
B) Realize it but double-down anyway, because he's a Kobestan
 
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