TIME MAGAZINE GOING IN ON TIDAL

[J-Fire]

Dont take this as disrespect but, I don't understand this type of thinking. If everyone never pays for music, how do you think good music will stay around?

Why would someone want to learn how to make banging, progressive music, if they see no reason to do it? Money is a motivator, and when you take that out of the equation, there is very little reason to make great music. The only music being heard would be little kids music because they won't have to pay bills or buy big boy toys to live. I just think once people stopped buying music, that is exactly when the quality of music started falling off big time, for the most part. It is getting better because good artists See this as an opportunity to be heard amongst all the darkness, but, that is only a few compared to the tons of garbage that is out there. If they don't get properly compensated, they will eventually stop doing music, and there will be 500 threads complaining about the quality of music.

There is plenty of old music people ain't heard yet. Quality decline only affects people that need a new song everyday. shyt just gets repeated/rephrased anyways as hip hop was the last piece of the music puzzle to express raw emotions/situations & keeping it real.

Hopefully someone creates a new genre to push music sometime soon.

 

[bouncy]

Breh, all my friends make more than enough money to afford whatever the fukk audio setup they'd like, but none of them is lusting after *insert premium brand here* because they don't care! Sound equipment does not come up in any of my conversations the way clothing, cars, airlines, hotels, etc do. This is the same as as the vast majority of Americans. High end audio is a niche obsession, people are happy with the sound they get from some samsung shyt and don't aspire to more because that market hasn't established aspirational value outside of the fanatics.

OK buddy

 

[No1]

Exposure



Using well known artists as the face of this project will bring more exposure.


People wouldnt care if jay brought out the likes of kaytranada, cashmere cat, broods, asap, fka twigs for example.

Indie and unsigned acts will benefit more from this as they have no middle man taking a cut from their money

I actually think this helps out the sound engineers and people like that the most. An artist can go on tour, those guys do not. It's like what Jay said about Jahil beats disappearing after Hot nikka.

 

[bouncy]

There is plenty of old music people ain't heard yet. Quality decline only affects people that need a new song everyday.

Which is most people. I am not listening to old music all the time, especially considering a lot of old music doesn't sound that great. If I live to 70 years old, I'll be damned if I listen to the same old songs all the years I have left to go. I'm getting tired of listening to old songs now, just to get that feeling. That's why the Kendrick shyt was so beautiful to me

 

[McPiff]

I actually think this helps out the sound engineers and people like that the most. An artist can go on tour, those guys do not. It's like what Jay said about Jahil beats disappearing after Hot nikka.

Yea you're right.

What did jay said about jahlil?

 

[DonKnock]

Nah, people were impressed you had a sound system, they did not care about the quality, if they did, that market would be much bigger. People wouldn't be content with sony sound bars, etc. You'd see more peoples talking about and lusting after high end brands....I can't even tell you what a studio quality brand is that's how far down high end audio equipment is in the bastion of luxury goods, I don't even like watches but I could ramble off 10 exclusive brands because enough demand has been made for them. If you have a circle of friends who care abt this equipment/audio,you're the exception, don't try to extrapolate your experience to the common experience when nothing supports that view.

Edit: and you're comparing a sector to a brand, they're not the same. CD players, DVD players were new technology, they coast a lot, you were cool because you had something new, not because the brand. Tidal is not a new technology, it's not exclusive, it will create the i need that effect

Newsflash: Luxury audio equipment: Beats, SMS Audio, Monster 24K etc. Everyone has gone to headphones because people want to live in their own world/ be able to blast their shyt all the time. Most of these popular ones have an exaggerated bass end which makes them horrible for actually creating music because it makes you assume its hitting way harder than it actually it is.

Tbh if most people listened to music on what are "top of the line studio monitors" (KRK's, Adams, Yamaha's) they would probably be shocked how much flatter it sounds than coming through consumer equipment.

 

[DonKnock]

I actually think this helps out the sound engineers and people like that the most. An artist can go on tour, those guys do not. It's like what Jay said about Jahil beats disappearing after Hot nikka.

Funny that Jay would say Jahlil fell off considering he's, ya know... Signed to Roc Nation...

http://rocnation.com/artists/jahlil-beats/

 

[scorpino]

One thing that's pissing me off about this tidal thing is that people keep saying Spotify is free. Last time I checked I pay $9.99 a month. Do you brehs just listen to random songs on spotify with all those adds

 

[No1]

Yea you're right.

What did jay said about jahlil?

What exactly were the contents of the document that was signed during the press conference?

J: Just a declaration that we're going to work really hard to improve what's going on in the pay system as we know it. You guys may have seen some of the stats like, Aloe Blacc had a song that was streamed 168 million times and he got paid $4,000. For us, it's not us standing here saying we're poor musicians. If you provide a service, you should be compensated for it. And not just artists — just think about the writers and the producers. Like an artist can go do a Pepsi deal or something — I shouldn't have singled out Pepsi — but they can go get an endorsement deal somewhere and you know, go on tour and sustain themselves, it helps their lifestyle. But what about the writers who do that for a living? The producers? That's it for them. What about Jahlil Beats, who produced Bobby Shmurda's "Hot N**ga"? He went on to get a $2 million record deal or whatever, and Jahlil Beats just put the song out. So he wasn't compensated for that song at all. There are dozens — more than dozens, there are thousands and thousands of those sorts of stories of someone who worked at their craft, worked really hard at the studio, they did their job and people loved it and consumed it and they just went home. I think we'll lose a lot of great writers in the future because you have to do something else, because you can't sustain a lifestyle, and I think that's a shame. That someone has that talent and just isn't being compensated because someone needed a business to profit off of their work. And we've seen that time and time again, we've seen it time and time again. Companies that pretend to care about music and really care about other things — whether it be hardware, whether it be advertising — and now they look at music as a loss leader. And we know music isn't a loss leader, music is an important part of our lives.

 

[McPiff]

Make sense... i gotta check this Q&A.

 

[Roaden Polynice]

One thing that's pissing me off about this tidal thing is that people keep saying Spotify is free. Last time I checked I pay $9.99 a month. Do you brehs just listen to random songs on spotify with all those adds

No one told you that there's a free Spotify version?

I have premium but back in the day I used the free version extensively. There's a way around the ads, but y'all ain't ready for the cheat code :damngoodcoffee:

Ok you just gotta change the song before it ends, that way you never hear ads. It's a bit of a bytch when you start off but you get used to it. But maybe they found that loophole in the few months since I've been on premium

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Newsflash: Luxury audio equipment: Beats, SMS Audio, Monster 24K etc. Everyone has gone to headphones because people want to live in their own world/ be able to blast their shyt all the time. Most of these popular ones have an exaggerated bass end which makes them horrible for actually creating music because it makes you assume its hitting way harder than it actually it is.

Tbh if most people listened to music on what are "top of the line studio monitors" (KRK's, Adams, Yamaha's) they would probably be shocked how much flatter it sounds than coming through consumer equipment.

What are you news flashing? Those aren't high end brands, they're popular "lifestyle" brands, even mass luxury ala Michael kors, but they're not high end, you just named the high end in your second paragraph. The former are the brands people buy for the form, not function, thus my point that high end audio is not a mass desire. If it was, i guarantee I'd know the brands you named second even if I wasn't into audio

 

[bouncy]

What are you news flashing? Those aren't high end brands, they're popular "lifestyle" brands, even mass luxury ala Michael kors, but they're not high end, you just named the high end in your second paragraph. Those are the brands people buy for the form, not function, thus my point that high end audio is not a mass desire. If it was, i guarantee I'd know the brands you named second even if I wasn't into audio

Its not meant to be a mass desire, its meant to be a luxury, which is why its called a luxury brand. Maybe you need to know what luxury means:

http://i.word.com/idictionary/luxury
lux·u·ry

\ˈlək-sh(ə-)rē, -zh(ə-)rē\noun
: a condition or situation of great comfort, ease, and wealth

: something that is expensive and not necessary

: something that is helpful or welcome and that is not usually or always available

 

[MegaTronBomb!]

You don't "need" high end headphones since so many headphones are out now that are good enough at much cheaper prices, but, it helps.

Secondly, the average listener will be able to tell, but, what I think you mean is will the average listener care about the sound quality? I think most probably won't but, enough will, and that is all that's needed. As long as they make a profit, and its continuous, that's all that matters.

Thirdly, then they just won't subscribe. Its not about having every person use your product, its about WHO is using your product, as that keeps your brand in a certain class. Because a lot of people don't care about sound quality, that is what is needed to separate Tidal from the average. You want to be extraordinary, to create a lifelong brand, and keep consumers with money to spend to keep coming back. Its a luxury brand, its not made for people who are happy to do google searches for CD quality music, or happy with lossy files using stock headphones.

Think about it, why do people buy Mercedes Benz, when they get money? Its because of the luxury brand. The same with clothes. Now they have a streaming service that can be considered a luxury brand, compared to other streaming services.

This is exactly why it's not going to work breh....and on top of that, It's not luxury.

Like i said earlier, how are you gonna stunt with Tidal?....it's not even like owning a rare vinyl edition of somebodys album.

 

[DonKnock]

What are you news flashing? Those aren't high end brands, they're popular "lifestyle" brands, even mass luxury ala Michael kors, but they're not high end, you just named the high end in your second paragraph. The former are the brands people buy for the form, not function, thus my point that high end audio is not a mass desire. If it was, i guarantee I'd know the brands you named second even if I wasn't into audio

How on God's green earth do you not consider dropping 300$ on headphones not a luxury?!?! The reason there is no tier above that is because they are already taking motherfukkers to the bank charging 300$ for Beats. What I am trying to tell you is that the equipment people ACTUALLY USE to create music often costs LESS that the consumer shyt they're scamming you with.