AP Classes Are a Scam
The College Board earns over half of all its revenues from the courses—and, in an uncertain environment, students keep being suckered.
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To Increase Equity, School Districts Eliminate Honors Classes
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People will be more upset about this than the quality of the non honors courses
Y'all such pieces of shyt gah damm!
This.
Posters are admitting that they don't give a shyt about 90% of children. Their only concern is that "good ones" get to take classes with the white and asian kids and those "bad kids" don't drag their good kids down.
Don't play games with the kids, you're determining the people they're going to be for decades.
If there isn't an extensive study that shows this is the right move to make... get the hell outta here
There has been extensive study, and most of it shows that putting high-testing kids into honors tracks has little impact on their long-term learning, but putting everyone else into lower tracks has a larger negative impact on their long-term learning. Would that lead you to admit that we should do something like this?
The cases in which that doesn't hold are cases where the general school is so shytty that it actively hampers the achievement of the higher-tracked kids. But if the general school is that shytty, then THAT is the problem. Certain people in this thread appear perfectly happy that White people fukked up the entire education system, lumped all the Black folk into the worst areas, killed school resources, segregated schools like crazy, and did everything possible to ensure that most Black folk would be in the worst educational situations.....and the only solution they're willing to put any weight behind is to extract the upper 10-15% from that shyt and say "fukk dem kids" to the rest?
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Cloutius Maximus
with the aid of the Funk...
what is IB?
Two separate issues. And please share those studies that show an advanced curriculum yields no appreciable difference in outcomes
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Secure Da Bag
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People will be more upset about this than the quality of the non honors courses
Y'all such pieces of shyt gah damm!
This video pretty addresses the concerns and ideas presented above.
Socialist America, ain't it great
Inching towards it day by day
Socialist Finland doesn't seem to have the problem you're referring to.
OperationNumbNutts
Superstar
It's been outdated for decades. Many students don't do well in school for two reasons. 1. Lectures don't fit their learning style, and 2. Students don't see the point because they are in classes they know will be of little use in their lives. Schools are well aware but it has become too much of a bureaucratic machine where change is nearly impossible.
OperationNumbNutts
Superstar
Sounds great but most people can't afford there. There is a reason school districts have lottery systems for better schools.
Two separate issues. And please share those studies that show an advanced curriculum yields no appreciable difference in outcomes
"When schools and other education institutions move to de-track mathematics classrooms, opportunities for student learning increase. Evidence for this fact comes from a number of different research studies that show that high-achieving students achieve at the same levels in tracked and untracked groups but that middle- and low-achieving students score at significantly higher levels when they are not working in tracks (Boaler, 2002, 2008a; Burris, Heubert, & Levin, 2006; Nunes, Bryant, Sylva, & Barros, 2009)."
"The body of research is made up of a variety of different studies looking at the academic effects of separation for gifted and high-achieving students, including research on de-tracking efforts, gifted programs, and alternative approaches to enrichment. The common finding across these studies is that a system of sorting and separating students based on academic level is neither necessary nor particularly helpful for supporting gifted and high-achieving students."
"More than a dozen studies across four decades point to a clear result: academic tracking—the practice of sorting students based on perceived academic ability into different classes—harms the students assigned to lower levels. Students placed in lower-level classes show reduced achievement over time when compared with peers who had similar initial achievement levels but who received access to higher-level courses.
At the same time, research has shown that the performance of students with greater initial achievement is not hurt by de-tracking. High-quality de-tracking programs achieve this result by “leveling up” the curriculum to give more students access to challenging coursework and supporting teachers in the process. For example, Rockville Center School District in Long Island, New York, expanded their international baccalaureate (IB) program from serving just a select group of top-track students to reach all high school students. Some in the community were worried that the district’s “top” students would suffer from being in classrooms that now included lower-achieving peers. But these students continued to achieve high scores on their IB exams under the new de-tracked model, and, in fact, the overall proportion of students scoring at the highest levels on exams increased."
There's a lot more there:
Should Gifted Students Be In Separate Classrooms?
Earlier this year, the New York City School Diversity Advisory Group, a group of leaders, researchers, educators, and community members, convened by mayor
OperationNumbNutts
Superstar
Well, it's that or conservatives putting your property taxes into magnet and/or private schools that only benefit their kids. Don't be simple minded dude.
Secure Da Bag
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Does Finland practice Montessori style of education is that video different?
Montessori education is basically focused on preschool / developmental ages, and Finland doesn't even start compulsory academic education until the age of 7 and only have 1 year of wholistic preschool before that. These links give you an idea of what that preschool experience is like for them:
No grammar schools, lots of play: the secrets of Europe’s top education system
In Finland children don’t start school until they are seven, but what happens before that is even more important
www.theguardian.com
Kindergarten: While American Kids Read, Their Finnish Peers Play
Forget the Common Core, Finland’s youngsters are in charge of determining what happens in the classroom.
www.theatlantic.com
This is a group that tries to mimic Finnish preschool education globally, they compare and contrast their model with Montessori here:
Comparing Montessori & Finnish ECE: Their History (Part 1)
Learn more about early childhood education models and read a comparison of play-based Montessori and HEI Schools in this 3-part series!
www.heischools.com
One of those options does not require much money. Hell, right here in my neighborhood there is a grandmother that allows her daughter to use her address as the children's home of residence for schools. Her grandchildren get to go to the far better schools in our neighborhood, instead of the mainly craptacular ones where they live. Their mother drops them off at their grandmother's house before the bus comes through, and picks them up in the evening after work.
Make your child's education a priority, and ways will be found to make sure that child receives the schooling they need. Removing honors programs, in my opinion, is just a means to decrease possible competition from rising up from the underclass. So parents who can't afford the options I mentioned in my previous post, should fight it at the School Board meetings.
CreepyMcCreeperson
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Exactly. It’s like saying we’re not capable of doing better, so let’s lower the standards. Now, the black kids who can get in won’t have the classes.I don't think enough black people understand how offensive it is when they do shyt like this or purposely lower test scores or say shyt like "black kids learn differently"