Tom Brady has surpassed Joe Montana as the GOAT – Stephen A. | First Take

[filial_piety]

I say this all the Time, 5 Rings >>> 4 Rings, People that dont like Brady think that Losing before the super bowl is a bigger accomplishment that losing in the super bowl.

We're all just built different

I don't expect anyone to get there every year, but I do expect that when you are there--you have to win it to get the respect.

You don't get points for getting there and losing imo. If that's the case, where do we place Jim Kelly in all of this? Does he get into the discussion because he went 4 straight times, despite losing 4 straight times? Elway lost 3x and won 2x...for a total of 5...where does he factor into any of this?

And people just have to understand, this is a different era....players last alot longer now...FWIW Joe played 15 seasons and went 4-0, Brady played 18/19 years and went 5-3.

i can honestly say that, I'd expect Joe to win every time he appeared there based on his history...with Brady I'm really not too sure, he's losttoo many times for me to believe he'd win in every appearence.


Quick Question: IF Brady loses this time...he'll be 5-4 in SBs...does that knock him down or boost him up in the ranking? WHat if he goes 5-5? Where does he stand then? Still GOAT?

 

[Raquinotj]

We're all just built different

I don't expect anyone to get there every year, but I do expect that when you are there--you have to win it to get the respect.

You don't get points for getting there and losing imo. If that's the case, where do we place Jim Kelly in all of this? Does he get into the discussion because he went 4 straight times, despite losing 4 straight times? Elway lost 3x and won 2x...for a total of 5...where does he factor into any of this?

And people just have to understand, this is a different era....players last alot longer now...FWIW Joe played 15 seasons and went 4-0, Brady played 18/19 years and went 5-3.

i can honestly say that, I'd expect Joe to win every time he appeared there based on his history...with Brady I'm really not too sure, he's losttoo many times for me to believe he'd win in every appearence.

Brady has played 17 Seasons and Been to 13 AFC Championship Games. In 2000 he attemped 3 passes in 2008 he attempted 11 passes.

 

[Raquinotj]

We're all just built different

I don't expect anyone to get there every year, but I do expect that when you are there--you have to win it to get the respect.

You don't get points for getting there and losing imo. If that's the case, where do we place Jim Kelly in all of this? Does he get into the discussion because he went 4 straight times, despite losing 4 straight times? Elway lost 3x and won 2x...for a total of 5...where does he factor into any of this?

And people just have to understand, this is a different era....players last alot longer now...FWIW Joe played 15 seasons and went 4-0, Brady played 18/19 years and went 5-3.

i can honestly say that, I'd expect Joe to win every time he appeared there based on his history...with Brady I'm really not too sure, he's losttoo many times for me to believe he'd win in every appearence.


Quick Question: IF Brady loses this time...he'll be 5-4 in SBs...does that knock him down or boost him up in the ranking? WHat if he goes 5-5? Where does he stand then? Still GOAT?

His legacy is already cemented, cant take those 5 Rings back, he will always have more rings and he holds most of the Records for a QB.

 

[filial_piety]

Brady has played 17 Seasons and Been to 13 AFC Championship Games.

And that's impressive.

What's your POV on Jim kelly and John Elway?

 

[filial_piety]

His legacy is already cemented, cant take those 5 Rings back, he will always have more rings and he holds most of the Records for a QB.

Got it, in your opinion, the losses aren't held against him.

 

[mastermind]

And that's impressive.

What's your POV on Jim kelly and John Elway?

Brady has played in more conference championship games than those two combined.

 

[filial_piety]

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[The Devil's Advocate]

No he hasn't

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[FabTrey]

that chip on his shoulder

 

[DEAD7]

first 3 superbowls are tainted... (remember was fined a half milli and suspended 4 games because of his shennanigans )

Super Joe still the GOAT

 

[Raquinotj]

that chip on his shoulder

 

[SubZeroDegrees]

And Brady is the GOAT. I know you gotta keep hope alive but this is basically settled. Only 49ers fans are fighting this battle. You brehs sound like southerners still fighting the Civil War today.

This part. 28 - 3 sealed it for me.

with the southerners part, its those southern necks.

 

[Rekkapryde]

The other point is that the 49ers struggled to do anything on offense that game.

And Brady is the GOAT. I know you gotta keep hope alive but this is basically settled. Only 49ers fans are fighting this battle. You brehs sound like southerners still fighting the Civil War today.

So that 500k fine and 4 game suspension was for what

 

[Formerly known as...]

Getting to 9 SB's is so damn impressive. Dude is a beast and has proved it time and time again.

I mean if Montana got to 9 no given he would have won all 9.

 

[BucciMane]

So that 500k fine and 4 game suspension was for what

Because Goodell is a scum bag and said Brady wasn't cooperating. They had a set deal of how many meetings they would be able to have with Ted Wells, and Ted Wells did not get the information he wanted in the first few meetings. When he finally had more questions, the Patriots in those associated with them refused to meet with him as he was not honoring his agreement. Goodell and his cronies said that was not cooperating.

Not to mention, the balls were never deflated. That has been proven numerous times. Have you seen the pressure gauges that Walt Anderson was using?