06 wade>>>anything year kobe
12 bron>>>>>>>>>>tmac best year
12 bron>>>>>>>>>>tmac best year
Tracy McGrady vs Dwyane Wade
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Coli Prophet
have you seen the poll?
Them dudes are
tho. Aint nobody really in here making any kinda case for Tracy.
Hollywood Co
Primetime Reppin
Mac could do everything Wade could do on the court, it was just done in a different style.
Playmaker: Equal
Defense on man and off the ball: Equal
Handles and getting by their man: Slight edge to wade
Shooting: TMac for a fair margin
Tracy my favorite player of all time and I think he was better but I always felt he settled for his jumper instead going to rim and getting to the foul line.
That's ultimately what separates Wade and Mac. Wade almost never settled in his prime and when it was time to get a bucket in the crucial moments of a game, he wasn't pulling for a 3 or long 2 like Mac did alot in his career.
Playmaker: Equal
Defense on man and off the ball: Equal
Handles and getting by their man: Slight edge to wade
Shooting: TMac for a fair margin
Tracy my favorite player of all time and I think he was better but I always felt he settled for his jumper instead going to rim and getting to the foul line.
That's ultimately what separates Wade and Mac. Wade almost never settled in his prime and when it was time to get a bucket in the crucial moments of a game, he wasn't pulling for a 3 or long 2 like Mac did alot in his career.
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Coli Prophet
both championships wade had someone 2 ride with shaq n bron etc
now if t mac had stayed injury free it would b mo of a argument
but since he couldnt .. kinda has to b d wade by default regardless of whetehr he won those rings on merit or not
but off skill n talent it gotta go 2 t mac
now if t mac had stayed injury free it would b mo of a argument
but since he couldnt .. kinda has to b d wade by default regardless of whetehr he won those rings on merit or not
but off skill n talent it gotta go 2 t mac
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
so you must have been in a coma.
in wade's difference maker rookie year playoff performance.
that showed his arrival and his appearances in the off's before shaq, as well.
plus 2oo6 existed, to kill the whole notion of t-mac's best year.
plus the fact wade came back from injury an even better player.
that clearly said wade was better than tmac.
as t-mac never got or tried to build his body up to take the abuse of the nba.
not to mention wade plays out of position and still dominated and came back from serious injury. whereas t-mac was considerably taller and a nightly mismatch height wise every night. a luxury wade never had after injury as he played the two. being considerably shorter than the stereotypical two. plus came back from injury and excelled. whereas, alternatively tracy became the living embodiment of his girl based moniker.
also, tmac had yao and did nothing,...
you are just still reliving the post traumatic shock of t-mac shytting on you in your formative years.
so we will apologize for you and your errant comments.
you just do not realize and are not in control of your acts.
it is okay,...post traumatic shock takes years!
even, decades to get over and think soundly afterwards.
it is obvious that is what is wrong with you.
you could not bear the psyche damning brunt of t-mac poke'n on you...
no franco!!!
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Personally .. I loved his versatility. I like the fact that at 6'8-6'9 .. he could run point efficiently. He had a beast post game. He could put the ball on the floor and get to the rim at will. He could jump with the best of them. He was strong. There really wasn't much he couldn't do besides see straight and get past the first round.
Before you come in here sayin that Wade could do all that also .. I agree. But I just think Tracy did it at a higher leverl. (As long as we're not talking playoffs cause my dude TMac had enough difficulties in the playoffs. In his defense .. he never really had that great of a team. In Houston .. he was starting to slow down and Yao was always hurt. Either Yao or he was.) Add to the fact the length factor ...
You put a point guard on him and that points getting his ass handed to him on the block. You put a 3-4 on his and Tracy's taking him to the rack. If he plays off him, he'd shoot right over him.
Dudes in here are taking my posts as a knock on Wade, and thats not the case at all. I really do like Wade and I think he's amazing .. but I just think TMac in his prime was at another level.
real talk,...
whatever tmac did that you found so profound.
by off time wade's rookie year,..wade was close to catching up and marginalizing t-mac's resume.
tracy was not coming in the league ramping up and putting a team on his back.
in the same lengthening manner that wade has.
wade made an expansion team into a regular nba staple.
that nobody even remembers the heat were an expansion team.
t-mac's best year is still not even more profound than penny and shaq on the magic.
for t-mac to be better than wade.
he would have had to outdue and supplant the legacy of penny shaq in orlando.
plus re-right or challenge the legacy of the dream with his cast of shooters in houston with yao.
of which, t-mac did neither.
whereas wade, set the bar for the heat without shaq as an expansion team.
plus, won a title with a dominant big.
plus had an mvp like year after injury without a dominant big.
then, just recently won and willed a losing series heat team injured over the pacers.
without bosh,....who would count as the equivalent of t-mac without an injured yao.
when t-mac could not for one game convert in the same circumstances as wade did.
regardless if wade was flanked by bron.
which we could cite t-mac not getting along withbuis own blood cousin.
as a detractor in this convo as well.
as wade gel'd with two allstars and ego's in bron and bosh.
to further distance wade in comparison to t-mac as well.
previously in wade's early career.
after sitting a game injured in the off's.
wade, willed a win over a sqaud in deeper palyoff territory. than t-mac ever got to as a player in the off's as well.
if you judge similiar moments were t-mac faltered.
wade has numerous similiar variable circumstances.
early on and all throughout his career.
where wade clearly defined himself a better player than t-mac.
by executing and consistently closing on a level that t-mac never did.
art barr
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Coli Prophet
You mean when he averaged 18, 4, and 4.5 per?
While impressive .. I'd hardly call that earth shattering numbers.Wade: (2006)
27.4 ppg.
4.7 rpg.
7.5 Assists per
2.1 Steals
TMac: (2003)
32.1 ppg.
6.5 rpg.
5.5 Assists per
1.6 Steals
Miss me with that bullshyt you posted.
So Wade coming back from injury a better player makes him a better player than TMac? Really Art. I mean .. I dont disagree that he came back better than ever .. but try and stay on topic. As for the 2nd part (the bold) .. I dont know what Tmac did or didn't do. I know he came into the league weighing 180'ish .. and got his muscle up and beasted at 220'ish. That's gotta take some kind of work. Some people are just injury prone. Unfortunately, he's one of them. Speaking of injuries.. Wade's never played a full season in his career yet. He's missed a shyt load of games in his career also .. so lets not crown Wade as the next Cal Ripken.
He had a HEALTHY Yao for what seemed like a season. Dont go there.
Played him twice my freshman year. I dropped 19 and 18 on his ass while he went for 22 (both times) ... keep mixing me up with some of these unathletic dudes on SOHH. I'll just sit back and laugh.
Naaa .. but he did beat me baseline one time, and yammed on our center tho
there is only a two year age difference. if tracy was really better than wade. then he would still be better than him right now. especially considering wade is the one dealing with injuries and Tmac is actually healthy right now.
Why isn't wade playing in china? ya'll act these dudes are from different generations. This ain't a kobe verse jordan what if equation. Wade and Mcgrady could play each other right now and settle this argument. isn't Kobe older than mcgrady? he has alot of injuries too and still playing at an allstar level.
Why isn't wade playing in china? ya'll act these dudes are from different generations. This ain't a kobe verse jordan what if equation. Wade and Mcgrady could play each other right now and settle this argument. isn't Kobe older than mcgrady? he has alot of injuries too and still playing at an allstar level.
Tmac has a debilitating back injury that worsens daily unless he get's his medical shot. Wade's worse injury was his seperated shoulder, or his bum knee, both of which can heal. You can't heal 100% from a fried back
cut it out
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
yes it does.You mean when he averaged 18, 4, and 4.5 per?
Wade: (2006)
27.4 ppg.
4.7 rpg.
7.5 Assists per
2.1 Steals
TMac: (2003)
32.1 ppg.
6.5 rpg.
5.5 Assists per
1.6 Steals
Miss me with that bullshyt you posted.
So Wade coming back from injury a better player makes him a better player than TMac? Really Art. I mean .. I dont disagree that he came back better than ever .. but try and stay on topic. As for the 2nd part (the bold) .. I dont know what Tmac did or didn't do. I know he came into the league weighing 180'ish .. and got his muscle up and beasted at 220'ish. That's gotta take some kind of work. Some people are just injury prone. Unfortunately, he's one of them. Speaking of injuries.. Wade's never played a full season in his career yet. He's missed a shyt load of games in his career also .. so lets not crown Wade as the next Cal Ripken.
as wade has always been more durable than t-mac.
this was apparent from as early as his time at marquette to the pro's.
wade was purposefully hurt by captain jerk.
t-mac never was a gym rat.
plus always shirked working harder in other areas that counted.
from the gym to variables and when talkin about players of the same calibur.
those variables are what will separate them.
those varibales is why wade is better than t-mac.
TRUST ME said:
wade had a diminished shaq.
your point is moot.
like i said earlier in two rants.
they both have similiarities to compare in their careers.
in that, wade distictly excelled above t-mac in those similiairities.
TRUST ME said:Played him twice my freshman year. I dropped 19 and 18 on his ass while he went for 22 (both times) ... keep mixing me up with some of these unathletic dudes on SOHH. I'll just sit back and laugh.
Naaa .. but he did beat me baseline one time, and yammed on our center tho
your nostalgia is similiar to someone who got dunked on by ronnie fields.
then trying to make a case for ronnie fields being better than t-mac.
do see how errant, ignorant and futile your i played against him stance isZ
you just want to make a case for your self equated basketball legacy through tmac.
which is fine for your own private bouts of self esteem.
yet, in public you need to keep it all the way real to the facts.
which you have not, for the sake of your own id and ego.
tmac is not better than wade on no day.
we have discussed the similiarities and facts.
of which you can not disprove.
as you can not disprove a fact.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
a fried back he never did side dumbbell lateral fly's like he was supposed to.
as he relied on sheer athleticism.
when to be the best player in the league was already a proven notion.
would only occur from a dedicated gym regimen.
which has been a fact in professional sportd since walter sweetness payton to barry sanders to michael jordan and dennis rodman.
so please do not make excuses for a dude.
who did not want to play intelligently with his own cousin.
nor did he want to hit the gym.
when he had resources, time etcetra.
to excell above and beyound.
t-mac did no excell because he did not committ to the rubrick to fully excell.
that has been apart of the rubrick to excell.
wade excelled because he committed to excelling by the standard rules and application.
simple as that...
wade did not get drafted out of hs.
he went to marquette applied himself to the gym with a reckless dribble drive style.
that could have easily ended his ball playing days much earlier.
wade was durable because he applied himself in the gym.
he studied and excelled in having a higher bball iq.
than aNy of his peers of his draft class.
of which was shown a mere couple years into the league as high quality for the low bba iq era.
by winning and willing his way to a championship.
against insurmountable odds historically that spelled disaster in the finals.
t-mac in comparison massaged the rock, was selfish, never hit the gym and was a chore to watch play. as he never committed to even up'n his bball iq.
when he even had a cousin who went to college to teach him.
a cousin, whom also was a superstar league player.
t-ma lacked the will and heart to succeed as an alltime player in wade's class.
it is simple as that.
now, i adored t-mac as a player.
i felt he even struck fear into kobe before he was exposed.
i still remember him bkocking kobe'a turn around like clockwork.
yet, once tracy's physical natural strength became a liability.
plus, kobe worked in the gym to maintain.
kobe whom worked harder used his intangibles.
to overcome that fear and tossed his ass in the bushes causing further damage to his baby muscled ass back.
it is as simple as that....
shyt even rey mysterio in the wwe built himself up by hook or crook to be a wwe champion muscle head.
you mean to tell me t-mac couldn't apply himself. to only add at most ten pounds of muscle. where he did not need seventy pounds of muscle like rey mysterio did.
i am sorry i can not excuse that no gym shyt,...
it just will not fly in athletics.
walter payton ran up mississippi dirt hills that went straight up, to the heavens.
you mean to tell me t-mac would not do, side dumbbell lateral flys.
or cables on a machine,...sorry, i can not honor that.
dude is not bird, from an era where the back problems can be excused.
as bird's era was an era where the gym was not an integral must have component back then.
when t-mac played being a gym rat was a must have component to being called the best.
to not commit to that will not be excused in t-mac legacy.
art barr
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Coli Prophet
Im pretty positive tmac and his lazy eye ran up in arts ole lady repeatedly. This dude shyttin on him something fierce. Now it all makes sense. That being.. the fact that u were a joke of a poster on 
and youve managed to bring that shytty reputation and opinions here.
That takes heart.
Go ahead and enable your rep so i can throw u som green for your efforts.
and youve managed to bring that shytty reputation and opinions here. That takes heart.
Go ahead and enable your rep so i can throw u som green for your efforts.