Trump Threatens Venezuela 🇻🇪 with War; U.S. 🇺🇸 Military Assets Deployed Near Guyana 🇬🇾 & Trinidad 🇹🇹

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The thing that complicates the dialogue I feel is the charges of State Sponsored Narcos. Like is it true or not? Regardless of the boat size it is still a big deal right? I see Venezualans and Anti USA South Americans bigging up Venezuelan standing up all while Venezuela has one of the worst migration crises on earth and all the people leaving Venezuela in droves singing a different tone. This is why I feel it's tough to really hear what's going on because of the Anti and/or Pro Trump stuff too. Like when has Venezuela of recent even been some beacon of positivity? Or Is this just another shyt on the USA/Trump moment?
On the state sponsorship question, the intelligence picture is actually more nuanced than the Trump administration claims. A declassified National Intelligence Council report from May found that Maduro’s government “probably does not have a policy of cooperating with” Tren de Aragua and that Maduro is “not directing” the gang’s operations in the US , though it acknowledged Venezuela provides a “permissive environment” for them to operate. This suggests more of a failed state scenario than active state sponsorship.


The Venezuelan government is hugely corrupt. There are officials in the narco business. Former Venezuelan intelligence chief Hugo Carvajal recently pleaded guilty to conspiring to import cocaine and is reportedly cooperating with US federal prosecutors against Maduro.

The so-called “Cartel of the Suns” - named after military insignia - appears to involve corrupt Venezuelan military officials who profit from drug trafficking.

Venezuela has become more of a failed state due to the mismanaging of the economy which destroyed life for many so they had to flee. A quarter of the population has left over the last decade.

I think people can recognize this reality while also saying a military intervention isn’t what’s needed.
 

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On the state sponsorship question, the intelligence picture is actually more nuanced than the Trump administration claims. A declassified National Intelligence Council report from May found that Maduro’s government “probably does not have a policy of cooperating with” Tren de Aragua and that Maduro is “not directing” the gang’s operations in the US , though it acknowledged Venezuela provides a “permissive environment” for them to operate. This suggests more of a failed state scenario than active state sponsorship.


The Venezuelan government is hugely corrupt. There are officials in the narco business. Former Venezuelan intelligence chief Hugo Carvajal recently pleaded guilty to conspiring to import cocaine and is reportedly cooperating with US federal prosecutors against Maduro.

The so-called “Cartel of the Suns” - named after military insignia - appears to involve corrupt Venezuelan military officials who profit from drug trafficking.

Venezuela has become more of a failed state due to the mismanaging of the economy which destroyed life for many so they had to flee. A quarter of the population has left over the last decade.

I think people can recognize this reality while also saying a military intervention isn’t what’s needed.

it treads the line of a semantics argument, no? Like Maduro doesn't have to be in the Cartel meetings to acknowledge they have set the environment, no? Cartel is rampant in government/police/military all through South America, and Venezuela doesn't really seem (from what I am presented) a say Mexico situation where their government is "trying" to do something, or a Colombia where things get very nuanced with Colombia vs Paramilitary vs Guerrillas.

That said I`m not calling for an invasion of Venezuela, but it seems Trump has been trying to flex on Cartels in general, and Venezuela makes it easy to flex on given what appears to be them greenlighting/turning the blind eye to the cartels?
 

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The play is so obvious... The pedo chief and his cronies about to provoke another unjustified war, invade another sovereign country, kill a lot of innocent people so they can open a loophole to cancel the elections and stay in power for another four years, and so on.

Keep thinking that mf is deploying marines on the streets of amerikkka to fight crime and not to suppress possible protests and resistance when there are no more elections. Yeah, sure:mjlol:
 

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The play is so obvious... The pedo chief and his cronies about to provoke another unjustified war, invade another sovereign country, kill a lot of innocent people so they can open a loophole to cancel the elections and stay in power for another four years, and so on.

Keep thinking that mf is deploying marines on the streets of amerikkka to fight crime and not to suppress possible protests and resistance when there are no more elections. Yeah, sure:mjlol:
Maybe…. Trump having a few people killed or bombing a mountain is one thing. Getting into an actual war and then being a war time president seems like the last thing he wants to do because he couldn’t be out golfing and doing a lot of the goofy shyt he likes to do if there was a long term war happening.
 

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it treads the line of a semantics argument, no? Like Maduro doesn't have to be in the Cartel meetings to acknowledge they have set the environment, no? Cartel is rampant in government/police/military all through South America, and Venezuela doesn't really seem (from what I am presented) a say Mexico situation where their government is "trying" to do something, or a Colombia where things get very nuanced with Colombia vs Paramilitary vs Guerrillas.

That said I`m not calling for an invasion of Venezuela, but it seems Trump has been trying to flex on Cartels in general, and Venezuela makes it easy to flex on given what appears to be them greenlighting/turning the blind eye to the cartels?
No he's not The CJNG and the Sinaloas are right there. The FARC, ELN and Gulf Clan is there then there's the dude in Ecuador all untouched.

You're right he decided to bully Venezuela for some reason.
 
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