Trump vs Biden: MAGA vs BUILD BACK BETTER: OFFICIAL FINAL DEBATE THREAD

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Smooth criminal ass :mjlol:

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They try to trick us and say AL freed the slaves , he did but it was a fukking business deal, civil war.... he didn't free the slaves because he felt bad and had sympathy for them. AL actually had his own slave.
What fukking alt-right history class did you learn that shyt in? :what:

Lincoln didn't have a slave, come on now. :mjlol:

Read this shyt if you want actual background on Lincoln's views on slavery. He was racist like 95% of White men in his day, and slowly became less racist over time, but he was against slavery his entire life. He was speaking out against slavery and defending freedmen even in the 1830s and 1840s: Abraham Lincoln and slavery - Wikipedia

He was ALWAYS part of the abolition movement to end it. The whole reason that the South seceded from the union in the first place was because an anti-slavery activist had just gotten elected president and they saw the writing on the wall. Lincoln's entire Second Inaugural Address is a condemnation of the sinfulness of slavery and basically blames the entire Civil War as God's just vengeance on America for allowing the sin in the country.

"I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself." - the Peoria Speech, 1854

"You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it... I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union. … How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." - private letter to slaveowner Joshua Speed, 1855

"If all earthly power were given to me...my first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,—to their own native land. But a moment's reflection would convince me that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible." - statement during a debate in 1858

"As a good thing, slavery is strikingly peculiar, in this, that it is the only good thing which no man ever seeks the good of for himself. Nonsense! Wolves devouring lambs, not because it is good for their own greedy maws, but because it is good for the lambs!!!" - Lincoln's own private writings, 1858

"Let there be no compromise on the question of extending slavery." - letter to Senator Lyman Trumbull, 1860

"You think slavery is right and ought to be extended; we think it is wrong and ought to be restricted." - public letter to John Gilmer, 1860

"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." - letter to the editor of the New York Times, 1862

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." - private letter from Abraham Lincoln to Albert Hodges, 1864
 

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What would a slogan mean or do for you? How did the last two or three presidents affect the way you decided to vote?

If you stuck on slogans then you're just stuck. Trump doesn't have a slogan unless it's Make America Great Again, Again, Make America Great Again Part 2, or Law and Order.

Biden doesn't need a slogan for me. Nor does any politician need a slogan to impress me but if he did have one it should be "Get This nikka The fukk Outta Here" or "You're Fired".


The bolded is funny.
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I voted for Obama twice. In 2008, I was 18 and it was my very first election. I was geeked and gassed up. Couldn’t wait to vote. I felt proud and was elated when he was elected.

Firstly, I voted for him because he’s a “Black” man. I was expecting things to change for my people, and just wanted to see a Black man as president of the United States.

First four years go by, and I fell for the old “He’s only had four years. Give him another chance, and we’ll be good during his second term!”

Voted for him again, and was beyond frustrated and disappointed. Although my life was/is great, he didn’t do shyt to benefit me or my people (those that I actually know). All of my accomplishments, possessions, and opportunities in life were no thanks to him. I’m from one of the Blackest cities in the country (Detroit), and from what I could see with my own eyes, nothing improved significantly under Obama. Conditions remained the same, if not worse.

Didn’t vote in 2016. Firstly because Obama finessed me/us, and two, because I can’t stand Hillary. I recognized the game and realized that we support Democratic politicians in DC with little to nothing in return. I was not excited or motivated to vote in 2016.

I need more than “Trump is bad” for me to vote next month, and Biden hasn’t provided that. He’s just a covert white supremacist that‘s also detrimental to Black people. Kamala is abysmal. She makes it even worse. I honestly would’ve considered voting for him if he chose Elizabeth Warren instead.

As far as the slogan, I was just curious and wanted to know Biden’s. And no, I don’t support Trump neither. Whoever wins, wins. I just won’t be participating.

No tangibles, no vote.
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Ima say one thing about who won here.

Trump may have scored some points with this new found pandering to low information wannabe woke black men and who DO NOT fukkING VOTE ANYWAY.

But this debate was about scoring educated, suburban white women (and men at this point) and seniors of all races. Demographics that actually vote, are watching these debates, and are who all polling data shows are really the ones dipping from Trump in 2016 to Biden in 2020.

Trump did his typical MAGA rally BS that has not been working.

He downplayed COVID. He criticized Fauci. He lied about COVID infections going down and a vaccine. He demanded reopening everything with no plan. He went after Biden with these fake news attacks on his families and got called out hard. He contradicted himself on healthcare. He downplayed the stolen kids at the border. He did all that ridiculous "look at New York, look at California" Americans vs Americans nonsense. He did all that nonsense bravado and lieing.

He lost. Hes done in November. They were both sharper than the first debate but this didnt move the needle for Trumps polling and PR woes as oppose to Bidens current polling and PR success. Trump camp did not prevail like they hoped tonight.

On to election day.

Biden will take Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania for sure. NC and AZ will remain in play after tonight.

Never underestimate the power of ignorance, racism, and the American spirit. Trump symbolizes the average American. His insecurities, his lack of knowledge, the blame game and the shift of accountability and lack of responsibly. This is how he got elected in the first place. The coin can land either way :manny:
 

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Nah I was watching CNN and they made mention that Trump might’ve swayed “Black men who were angry about the 94 Crime Bill”:stopitslime:



We been angry about that Bill since....fukking 94! The overwhelming majority of black men still voting democrat

Exactly. These clowns worried about black male voters yet 80 percent who vote are gonna vote democratic.

They need to focus on these white men, asian men, latin men and white women voting for trump.
 

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What would a slogan mean or do for you? How did the last two or three presidents affect the way you decided to vote?

If you stuck on slogans then you're just stuck. Trump doesn't have a slogan unless it's Make America Great Again, Again, Make America Great Again Part 2, or Law and Order.

Biden doesn't need a slogan for me. Nor does any politician need a slogan to impress me but if he did have one it should be "Get This nikka The fukk Outta Here" or "You're Fired".
Slogans give people a rally cry or something to rally behind. It's more important than you think
 
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What fukking alt-right history class did you learn that shyt in? :what:

Lincoln didn't have a slave, come on now. :mjlol:

Read this shyt if you want actual background on Lincoln's views on slavery. He was racist like 95% of White men in his day, and slowly became less racist over time, but he was against slavery his entire life. He was speaking out against slavery and defending freedmen even in the 1830s and 1840s: Abraham Lincoln and slavery - Wikipedia

He was ALWAYS part of the abolition movement to end it. The whole reason that the South seceded from the union in the first place was because an anti-slavery activist had just gotten elected president and they saw the writing on the wall. Lincoln's entire Second Inaugural Address is a condemnation of the sinfulness of slavery and basically blames the entire Civil War as God's just vengeance on America for allowing the sin in the country.

"I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself." - the Peoria Speech, 1854

"You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it... I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union. … How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." - private letter to slaveowner Joshua Speed, 1855

"If all earthly power were given to me...my first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,—to their own native land. But a moment's reflection would convince me that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible." - statement during a debate in 1858

"As a good thing, slavery is strikingly peculiar, in this, that it is the only good thing which no man ever seeks the good of for himself. Nonsense! Wolves devouring lambs, not because it is good for their own greedy maws, but because it is good for the lambs!!!" - Lincoln's own private writings, 1858

"Let there be no compromise on the question of extending slavery." - letter to Senator Lyman Trumbull, 1860

"You think slavery is right and ought to be extended; we think it is wrong and ought to be restricted." - public letter to John Gilmer, 1860

"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." - letter to the editor of the New York Times, 1862

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." - private letter from Abraham Lincoln to Albert Hodges, 1864


“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.”


All his life huh:unimpressed:
 

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I would have more respected for Biden if he admitted it about Crime Bill and said he is changed man now than he was wrong back then so that would be a bigger point win for Biden. I'm still vote to Biden over Trump thou
Did he not say that tonight? (I didn't watch.) That's weird cause he's said it repeatedly in the past:

Biden says crime bill was a 'mistake' during ABC town hall

Biden says he regrets 1990s crime bill, calls it a 'big mistake' at MLK Day event
 

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What fukking alt-right history class did you learn that shyt in? :what:

Lincoln didn't have a slave, come on now. :mjlol:

Read this shyt if you want actual background on Lincoln's views on slavery. He was racist like 95% of White men in his day, and slowly became less racist over time, but he was against slavery his entire life. He was speaking out against slavery and defending freedmen even in the 1830s and 1840s: Abraham Lincoln and slavery - Wikipedia

He was ALWAYS part of the abolition movement to end it. The whole reason that the South seceded from the union in the first place was because an anti-slavery activist had just gotten elected president and they saw the writing on the wall. Lincoln's entire Second Inaugural Address is a condemnation of the sinfulness of slavery and basically blames the entire Civil War as God's just vengeance on America for allowing the sin in the country.

"I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself." - the Peoria Speech, 1854

"You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it... I also acknowledge your rights and my obligations, under the constitution, in regard to your slaves. I confess I hate to see the poor creatures hunted down, and caught, and carried back to their stripes, and unrewarded toils; but I bite my lip and keep quiet. In 1841 you and I had together a tedious low-water trip, on a Steam Boat from Louisville to St. Louis. You may remember, as I well do, that from Louisville to the mouth of the Ohio, there were, on board, ten or a dozen slaves, shackled together with irons. That sight was a continued torment to me; and I see something like it every time I touch the Ohio, or any other slave-border. It is hardly fair for you to assume, that I have no interest in a thing which has, and continually exercises, the power of making me miserable. You ought rather to appreciate how much the great body of the Northern people do crucify their feelings, in order to maintain their loyalty to the Constitution and the Union. … How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty—to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy." - private letter to slaveowner Joshua Speed, 1855

"If all earthly power were given to me...my first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,—to their own native land. But a moment's reflection would convince me that whatever of high hope (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible." - statement during a debate in 1858

"As a good thing, slavery is strikingly peculiar, in this, that it is the only good thing which no man ever seeks the good of for himself. Nonsense! Wolves devouring lambs, not because it is good for their own greedy maws, but because it is good for the lambs!!!" - Lincoln's own private writings, 1858

"Let there be no compromise on the question of extending slavery." - letter to Senator Lyman Trumbull, 1860

"You think slavery is right and ought to be extended; we think it is wrong and ought to be restricted." - public letter to John Gilmer, 1860

"I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men everywhere could be free." - letter to the editor of the New York Times, 1862

"I am naturally anti-slavery. If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I can not remember when I did not so think, and feel." - private letter from Abraham Lincoln to Albert Hodges, 1864
The idiot probably watched this show
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