U.S. top court rules for companies on birth control mandate

[ltheghost]

I get what you're saying, but why would a company not opt to avoid the fee/cost? and if every corp opts out of paying for it, who is receiving pref treatment? or is part of a new class?

That's the funny part about it. You could opt in if you wanted....but what company in their right mind is going opt in if saves them money...lol And if every company opts out then the law only applies to secular companies...thus Religious companies get pref treatment when it comes to paying for the bill. There are some religious accommodations that have been made in the past for certain businesses before. In the realm of hiring and firing, (there is always a story about a teacher at a Catholic school getting fired because she got pregnant or something) but the wording in this bill leaves it open for religious business to opt out of a program and still participate in the market place as if nothing is wrong. Think about Hobby Lobby's competitor, they have to pay the tax, while Hobby Lobby doesn't. We will find out later if this will be an advantage to Hobby Lobby but it is something they don't have to pay for. That's all we know for now.

 

[KingpinOG]

I don't like this ruling for a couple of reasons...It's expanding the definition of religious objection but creating a class of business owners who are quasi religious and are tax paying. You are giving them preferential treatment in the law because of their religious objections. This is really mucking up the Separation of Church and State. And now any one can claim their company is religious in nature and claim an exemption. But this is why the Supreme Court is the most undemocratic part of our government. They answer to no one and have lifetime appointments. Now, I don't think your company should be paying for what you do sexually, but if women's contraception is banned by company so should Viagra. But that's not what is happening. This is the last vestiges of White Supremacy at work under the guise of Christian Freedom.

What the fukk does white supremacy or race have to do with the Obamacare birth control mandate.

This entire thread is a cesspool of ignorance. Every time I come back to Higher Learning I am reminded of how incredibly stupid you left wingers are.

 

[Handsback]

Storms are because gay people? Huh??? What does that even mean? What do storms and gay people have to do with the federal government violating the Constitution's freedom of religion protections with its birth control mandate?

Gay folks have been blamed for some of America's biggest disasters. The religious right decided that Katrina, 9/11, tsunamis, ect. occurred because God was upset with the country for tolerating homosexual activity. I connect that to this case because it shows what kind of logic (or really the lack thereof) that we are dealing with when it comes to that pointy part of the curve.

The federal government isn't violating anyone's religious rights. They've taken tons of liberties in allowing employers to opt out in this or that way of the ACA for religious reasons. This shouldn't have applied. There was no scientific basis for their claims that birth control essentially causes abortions and therefore violates their religious stance, which as a company is bullshyt to begin with.

The problem with this type of ruling and these type of people is that holding up a Bible and saying something "violates their religious practices" is a catch-all and doesn't have to be based in any secular or scientific or objective reasoning. And this opens up the floodgates for similar objections. Don't approve of blood transfusions? Don't think surgery is Christian(as per your reading of the Bible of course)? Hell, maybe you think prayer is the only medicine anyone needs? Well you can claim religious objection to healthcare mandates and short your employees on their health coverage because YOU don't like it. Science and being reasonable be damned.

And lettuce all keep in mind: Viagra is still covered. Cuz the Bible says so.

 

[ltheghost]

What the fukk does white supremacy or race have to do with the Obamacare birth control mandate.

This entire thread is a cesspool of ignorance. Every time I come back to Higher Learning I am reminded of how incredibly stupid you left wingers are.

One of the strongest vestigates of White Supremacy is Christianity and A White Male dominated culture. Now this ruling for hobby lobby which protects a Christian Company for paying for female contraception.....you get my point. Or I could be trolling on the white supremacy issue. Who knows...But it is a stupid ass decision which will lead to more fukkery. You noticed that the ruling doesn't affect who gets Viagra or not...lol...White Supremacy in action....and if you know anything about the Justices...If Uncle Tom ass Clarance Thomas agrees with it, he is furthering White Supremacy. Yeah I'm on that shyt today.

But wait until you see Muslims and Scientology businesses start complaining and you will know what this is really about. This ruling only makes sense if you put it the White Supremacy power structure. Are you telling me that the supreme court created a law where any major company that has religious backing can opt out of a law!? If this was Al-Hobby Lobby vs Jane Doe...do you think it would have gone the same way. This is has Scalia written all over it.

 

[kermit da hustla]

As a Democrat I have no problem with this decision. In honesty, this mandate should not have been in the bill in the first place. If you’re gonna be out here fukking, don’t ask someone else to pay for your birth control meds. It’s called personal responsibility, especially if you’re out here raw dogging, go half on the day-after meds. It's like $50 dollars.

If it's rape, then yes cover that cost.

It takes two to tango, and this asinine decision penalizes women while exempting men.

 

[No1]

I seriously had to debate whether this should be put in FS with all of the name-calling going around, but I'll let it rock. But try to keep this one clean from this point forward. I'm not saying you can't tell someone they don't make sense but all of that "die and fukk yourself" shyt isn't necessary. @tru_m.a.c you hit the nail on the head and as a healthcare professional I get your frustrations, but fam. Some of those people just don't know the facts.

 

[MidwestD]

What the fukk does white supremacy or race have to do with the Obamacare birth control mandate.

This entire thread is a cesspool of ignorance. Every time I come back to Higher Learning I am reminded of how incredibly stupid you left wingers are.

u think people want u here

 

[PartyHeart]

Because you're comparing medical issues like asthma and erectile dysfunction which is out of a persons control to getting pregnant (non rape) which people can control. It doesnt make sense to me.

How is erectile dysfunction a medical issue and pregnancy is not? What kind of sense does this make?!

Even if we ignore the fact that birth control is not only used to prevent pregnancy, can we address the idiocy of having this particular preventative measure up for debate, and not others? Should we not also be talking about getting rid of annual check ups and physicals since those are also preventative measures? Should we widdle down healthcare to "once you've got the cancer, we'll treat it, but not before that"?

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

God told Abraham to abort his son..... so I don't think he cares about abortions.

 

[Rawtid]

How is erectile dysfunction a medical issue and pregnancy is not? What kind of sense does this make?!

Even if we ignore the fact that birth control is not only used to prevent pregnancy, can we address the idiocy of having this particular preventative measure up for debate, and not others? Should we not also be talking about getting rid of annual check ups and physicals since those are also preventative measures? Should we widdle down healthcare to "once you've got the cancer, we'll treat it, but not before that"?

What do men do to cause erectile dysfunction? From my understanding its not something a man suffering from can control. Men with functioning penis' abusing viagra for longer hard ons is a different story.

The bottom line is that it is very expensive for companies to insure their employees and i don't see the harm in religious companies finding a loophole in contraception to cut costs especially when they are forced by the government to provide insurance in the first place.

Everyone wants good insurance but no one wants to pay for it.

 

[OH SOHH TRILL]

Poorly reasoned decision but not the end of the world. Court ruled that a federal agency (HSS) violated a federal statute (RFRA) because "person" was clearly defined by congress in that statute to include corporations. (which, even though I hate the decision, is true)

Court did not rule that corporations have a constitutional right to do anything.

Congress can simply change the definition of person in RFRA or get rid of RFRA all together.

 

[kevm3]

One of the strongest vestigates of White Supremacy is Christianity and A White Male dominated culture. Now this ruling for hobby lobby which protects a Christian Company for paying for female contraception.....you get my point. Or I could be trolling on the white supremacy issue. Who knows...But it is a stupid ass decision which will lead to more fukkery. You noticed that the ruling doesn't affect who gets Viagra or not...lol...White Supremacy in action....and if you know anything about the Justices...If Uncle Tom ass Clarance Thomas agrees with it, he is furthering White Supremacy. Yeah I'm on that shyt today.

But wait until you see Muslims and Scientology businesses start complaining and you will know what this is really about. This ruling only makes sense if you put it the White Supremacy power structure. Are you telling me that the supreme court created a law where any major company that has religious backing can opt out of a law!? If this was Al-Hobby Lobby vs Jane Doe...do you think it would have gone the same way. This is has Scalia written all over it.

If you think white supremacy is relegated to Christianity, then you are sorely mistaken. White Supremacy is white supremacy, and there were plenty of secular white supremacists. how many black babies ended up being aborted due to Margaret Sanger? Ever heard of Social Darwinism?

This is far from a 'stupid decision'. II wonder if you guys are going to complain if companies soon gain the right to fire you due to your 'sexual history' because it could end up costing them a lot of money. For example, they monitor your facebook profile and find that you have sexual practices that could eventually cause their rates to go up. You don't think it can happen, but wait and see.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Hobby Lobby can fukk off honestly with the we're Catholic excuse because

1. They have a substantial amount of money invested in contraceptive/bc making companies
http://www.motherjones.com/politics...rgency-contraception-and-abortion-drug-makers


2. They are a public company that profits off of the labor of employees from many different religious ideologies

3. They get most of their product from China, aka the largest abortion state in the world

Just want to play Devil's advocate here:

1. Hobby Lobby likely has no clue or control over where the 401k money is invested.

2. And if Hobby Lobby asked any of those employees to do something that goes against their religious beliefs in the pursuit of that profit there would be a valid point to be gleaned from that statement.

3. They probably don't consider it a problem because there is no trail that shows the money Honny LObby spends buying goods from China is being spent on abortions.

Those are all DailyKos arguments that really don't amount to much in the grand scheme of things and are the anti-thesis of truly thought provoking discourse on this subject.

 

[Jello Biafra]

Not sure if anyone has posted this but here are the types of birth control that Hobby Lobby does not want to pay for:
• Plan B "morning-after pill"

• Ella "morning-after pill"

• Hormonal and copper intrauterine devices (IUDs)

Just to make sure that the discussion stays on point and doesn't veer off into hyperbole of women being denied access to condoms or sponges or anything.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Liberals just need to accept the fact that there is a separation of church and state in this country. Stop forcing your beliefs onto other people.

birth control isn't solely used to "prevent birth" dumbass