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Brady should do a phone commercial.....do you keep dropping your phone ?
Update: NFL upholds Tom Brady 4 Game Suspension
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Brady's phone was never subject to evidence so it's a red herring. Brady told the NFL that he was not giving them his phone months ago, and Wells was cool with it because he had no right to it. They asked him again and Tom was honest and was like "I destroyed that shyt anyway." Otherwise, I have no idea where you are getting your facts from aside from NFL talking points which their own footnotes undermine consistently. You're playing that "I'm just saying but I'm not a lawyer shyt and I'm taking sides while clearly taking a side" shyt. You sit here and ignore the fact that Brady and his attorneys went to the phone companies and tried to recover his old texts but could not because the records were gone. You literally are trying to implicate a dude not based on an actual act because science and the NFL's procedure dismiss that, but based on the fact that he just so happened to have one old phone lying around. The fact that you even tried to analyze that is ridiculous in and of itself. The NFL procedure is not a legal proceeding, and you cannot punish someone for not giving you something after not affording them notice of the fact that they will be liable if they do so. Brady was never informed that non-compliance with giving his phone, something the NFLPA bargained for in the CBA is somehow going to make him liable. If Brady goes up there and just lies and says, "I got it but I'm not giving it to you," this is not a story because it could not be used. That's how foolish that point is.I was commenting on the 'i regularly cycle my phones' yet he had one that covered data exactly up until November but the one that covered what the NFL was asking for primarily was destroyed. I am not speaking on the evidence in and of itself..the science or any of that.
The protocol of this proceeding that the NFL has been following has been suspect at best..poor at worst...and clearly mishandled overall. Granted.
However, the foot-note you sourced started with "after the hearing"...but the confirmation of the phone destruction wasn't made until the day of the hearing...the phone was destroyed right before the day of the first interview with Wells..and apparently at the hearing in June, Brady's certified agents essentially said, 'oh yeah he destroyed it, but you guys can try can retrieve the information from other people if you want'. They were not given the phone or information before the ruling so they only had the 35 days after to track it all down. With a body like the NFL, that is probably ample time but I can not speak on the technicalities of that (contacting phone companies, people, getting permission etc). Seems like the NFL were like alright, we can settle if you want.. but if you don't want to, we can use the time until your court filing/hearing to do all that. The timing of the destruction of the phone gave the NFL ammo in strengthening just cause in discipline towards Brady, irrelevant to Brady having to turn the phone over to the NFL.
I am not VMR Esq. so Ill yield to counselors at law from here on out, but I have yet to see any type of legal case that includes destruction of evidence helping the party in question of wrongdoing.
I don't think so.. That fakkit might win this one
I just thought it was funny that he destroyed the phone in question the day of. Sorry if that made you mad. Save your ranting for the court room.
I don't think so.. That fakkit might win this one
On what basis? Did you read the NFLPA's petition? It laid out in unequivocal terms how Goodell/NFL are completely in the wrong. Goodell/NFL violated so many clauses of the CBA that it's not even funny. And the Wells Report was clearly flawed and biased.
Goodell' s fukked.
Just watch.:bradyHaHa:
Yeah but the NFLPA had to re file the case in Manhattan where the NFL has the upperhand..
Still, I don't see how that makes much of a difference as far as the substantive issues are concerned. Even if Manhattan is in a more management-friendly jurisdiction, Goodell/NFL's infractions are too egregious for any court to rule in favor of.
In other news, Brady out here catching one handed TD passes from Edelman..
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Slim to no chance the NFL loses this one...I don't think so.. That fakkit might win this one
Goodell doesn't want to deal with another Ray Rice loss in the courts...The legal team made sure they have enough to win a legal battle or else Goodell would have rescinded the 4 games...Thats why he took so long with the announcement...
They have plenty of evidence to prove at the very least Brady knowingly conspired and obstructed the investigation...
The NFLPA lawsuit also got moved to NY today which is an enormous win for Goodell already...
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Goodell not gonna be in that suite shaking at Foxboro no more!
fukk him
fukk him
LeslieChow
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Brady-Carter is right, the court couldn't get the records from Sprint say, also his carrier would only see the number he texted
Florio reporting the NFL essentially had access to all of Brady's texts, Exposes ESPN
After reading Goodell's affirmation letter, Florio coming with the obvious well researched take:
But like the much longer Wells report, closer inspection of the Goodell decision undermines the primary conclusion. And, as usual, the Achilles heel can be found in a footnote.
Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12
In English, here’s what the footnote means: Although the text messages couldn’t be retrieved directly from Brady’s phone, his agents provided all of the phone numbers with which Brady exchanged text messages. His agents also said that the league could attempt to get the actual text messages from the phones of the people with whom Brady communicated, but the league refused to attempt to try, claiming that it would be too hard to track down the various people and to persuade them to cooperate.
ESPN exposed as well
The league arguably opted not to track down the text messages or to match them up with text messages that the league already harvested from other phones, like the one used by John Jastremski, because the league already had the silver bullet it needed to win convincingly in the court of public opinion.
Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.
It was expertly leaked to ESPN by the same league office that had leaked the 11-of-12 footballs falsehood to ESPN.
Brady offered to help NFL gather missing text messages
and the first person to break this news, non other than First Take, ESPN's top rated morning show.
After reading Goodell's affirmation letter, Florio coming with the obvious well researched take:
But like the much longer Wells report, closer inspection of the Goodell decision undermines the primary conclusion. And, as usual, the Achilles heel can be found in a footnote.
Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12
In English, here’s what the footnote means: Although the text messages couldn’t be retrieved directly from Brady’s phone, his agents provided all of the phone numbers with which Brady exchanged text messages. His agents also said that the league could attempt to get the actual text messages from the phones of the people with whom Brady communicated, but the league refused to attempt to try, claiming that it would be too hard to track down the various people and to persuade them to cooperate.
ESPN exposed as well
The league arguably opted not to track down the text messages or to match them up with text messages that the league already harvested from other phones, like the one used by John Jastremski, because the league already had the silver bullet it needed to win convincingly in the court of public opinion.
Tom Brady destroyed his cell phone.
It was expertly leaked to ESPN by the same league office that had leaked the 11-of-12 footballs falsehood to ESPN.
Brady offered to help NFL gather missing text messages
and the first person to break this news, non other than First Take, ESPN's top rated morning show.
this whole faux scandal has really been a great filter for separating the idiots from the intelligent people, both online and IRL.
you should probably read up on Berman's leanings re: labor v. management before you embarrass yourself any further.
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