US airlines like Delta and United are so desperate for pilots they are dropping some requirements and considering cutting training hours to get more..

[Killer Instinct]

This is insanity.... Pilots get paid $$$ and they having a shortage?!?

12 out of 15 people are incapable of getting their foot in the door. Out of the three that do, two of them will wash out in pilot school due to performance, stress, or both. The kicker is that even after you clear it all, the money a lot of airlines pay isn't in line with the amount of stress the job induces today. A 15 - 25 year pilot is absolutely coasting to retirement as far as salary goes, but the "entry" level of compensation -- while satisfactory for the majority of the general population -- isn't cutting it for those will the skills and ability to enter the field and successfully graduate.

My classmate that I still keep in contact with has a stepsibiling that has been a pilot for the last seven years and honestly, it's stressful, even for the money they make. When I read their feed, I always walk away with the sentiment that I wouldn't want to deal with it. My classmate makes more than she does and she's a CRNA. A very meticulous and specialized field that also that deserves compensation, but airline pilots have thousands of lives in their hands weekly. Less than a decade of flight experience or not, no thanks. I'd pass without a second thought on anything less than 200k. Commercial pilots make even less than airline.


It's just not worth the stress or financial investment for a lot of qualified candidates.

 

[Alix217]

12 out of 15 people are incapable of getting their foot in the door. Out of the three that do, two of them will wash out in pilot school due to performance, stress, or both. The kicker is that even after you clear it all, the money a lot of airlines pay isn't in line with the amount of stress the job induces today. A 15 - 25 year pilot is absolutely coasting to retirement as far as salary goes, but the "entry" level of compensation -- while satisfactory for the majority of the general population -- isn't cutting it for those will the skills and ability to enter the field and successfully graduate.

My classmate that I still keep in contact with has a stepsibiling that has been a pilot for the last seven years and honestly, it's stressful, even for the money they make. When I read their feed, I always walk away with the sentiment that I wouldn't want to deal with it. My classmate makes more than she does and she's a CRNA. A very meticulous and specialized field that also that deserves compensation, but airline pilots have thousands of lives in their hands weekly. Less than a decade of flight experience or not, no thanks. I'd pass without a second thought on anything less than 200k. Commercial pilots make even less than airline.


It's just not worth the stress or financial investment for a lot of qualified candidates.

Pilots get paid 160k on average in the US

Pilot Average Salary in United States 2022 - The Complete Guide

www.salaryexplorer.com

 

[Dorian Breh]

Pilots get paid 160k on average in the US

That's not enough for the amount of training required, daily stress, lifestyle sacrifices, health issues and responsibility

There are also many issues surrounding American vocational education but the problem here is more of an economic one

 

[Buckeye Fever]

See, this the type of shyt that will keep me on the highway.

Don't play around by cutting training hours. fukk that shyt.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Isn't this nearly every industry since baby boomers and parts of generation X are retiring. And have mostly retired at a faster because of covid.

Yes, middle class boomers benefited immensely from the results of Roosevelt's new deal economics and then voted for decades to dismantle the systems that gave them jobs

 

[Alix217]

See, this the type of shyt that will keep me on the highway.

Don't play around by cutting training hours. fukk that shyt.

I got you covered, breh

Program would allow certain teens to become truck drivers amid supply chain crisis​

Program would allow certain teens to become truck drivers amid supply chain crisis

Most states allow individuals to obtain a commercial driver's license at age 18, but they still can't move goods from state to state until they are 21.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[num123]

At least United has it's own flight training school: United Airlines Just Became the First Major U.S. Carrier to Open Its Own Flight School

 

[Buckeye Fever]

I got you covered, breh

Program would allow certain teens to become truck drivers amid supply chain crisis​

Program would allow certain teens to become truck drivers amid supply chain crisis

Most states allow individuals to obtain a commercial driver's license at age 18, but they still can't move goods from state to state until they are 21.

www.cbsnews.com

18 yrs old in 18 wheelers........YIKES!

shyt, these youngins in central Illinois can barely drive CARS, let alone semis

 

[Geek Nasty]

Isn't this nearly every industry since baby boomers and parts of generation X are retiring. And have mostly retired at a faster because of covid.

For real breh, I'm gen X and boomers made it their mission in life to sell everything that wasn't nailed down. A lot these well-trained pilots came out of the military so the industry was getting cheap pilots for decades.

I was looking into getting a pilot's license just for recreation man the industry is a joke. It'll take you about $15K just to get to basic private pilot's license. Probably that same amount to get instrument rated and that same amount to get your multi-engine qualification. That's for civilian non-commercial flying. It's probably another $100-200K to get bottom barrel hours for a commercial license with instructor time.

And, that gets you a bottom end job in the industry that probably pays you less than $50K. l think the copilot in that icing crash from about 10 years ago was making $30k/year

Flying has turned into a rich man's hobby. I have pretty good salary and I'd have to basically make flying the focus of my life to afford to do it.

What's going to eventuall happen is tax payers figure out how much goes into maintaining general aviation for rich people to land private jets at municipal airports, and there's going to be another backlash that dismantles that whole infrastructure.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Spooky times ahead.

Maybe they should throw the bag at Military pilots..I think Naval pilots after flight school are obligated to serve 6years..they should throw the bag at those pilots who have been in 10-20years

Thing is I doubt these airliners will have a Bag that competes with the retirement you get from military so
Covid really exposed how easily society can crumble..even more so if people decide not to contribute to society.

Like if people lost the desire to drive semi trucks...our country would be in Deep trouble.

And of course of rail system is trash so we can't rely on that....
Greyhound? greyhound is only if you really broke and/or you tryna carry some dope across country.

 

[Spiritual Stratocaster]

Probably don’t pay enough

You can't beat the benefits..prestige for some and also the promise of a retirement package..

shyt an officer prolly making like $ 3,000/month minimum at retirement..plus gi bill for them/spouse or children.

They need to throw that bag but I doubt the ceo wanna give it up.

 

[Alix217]

With fuel costs going up training is going to be more expensive to

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

This is insanity.... Pilots get paid $$$ and they having a shortage?!?

Aviation school expensive as fukk.. These airlines need to address that in the form of hiring trainees and putting them through pilot school.. shyt I would do it

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

fukk.....I seriously need to look into this.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Or....wait...hang on...just hear me out. I know this is controversial...

Pay them more money.

Pilots get paid $175k in the majors. Veterans at $250k

They do get paid.