Bigblackted4
Superstar
They act like the women of tip drill didn’t become willing participants we might as well shut down all the strip clubs and porn sites too why we at it
Vibe Magazine: "Twerk" vs. "Tip Drill": The Clear Difference Between Empowerment & Degradation
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Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
pretty much
there were plenty of other videos that had women in bikinis dancing....
but the CC shyt made tip drill stand out
Hacksaw Jim Thuggin
Superstar
I’m not religious neither am I spiritual but I am 100% convinced that the black man is god & this is some kinda spiritual warfare to eradicate us
Nothing else makes sense to me you have black homosexuals being murdered in cold blood by white gay democratic fundraisers and somehow straight black men are being targeted? Terry crews sexually assaulted by gay white men and somehow we are being targeted? How are we being blamed for that fakkit Jussie being attacked by two MAGA cacs? How are we being called ******s by black women & men openly on social media and it’s allowed and isn’t considered hate speech? Idk it’s getting spooky out here
breh....
we really need to stop giving shyt like this energy.....
in a day think about how much of this negative energy we digest....just from the stuff you posted....
but what i say will probably fall on deaf ears
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
Nelly had all the hits back in the day.
I don't know why they gave that man a hard time when just about every rapper had a sex song with video broads in it.
Mystikal, juvenile, all them nikkas
I don't know why they gave that man a hard time when just about every rapper had a sex song with video broads in it.
Mystikal, juvenile, all them nikkas
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
How so?
Women don't "strive" to meet men's alleged standards unless (1) they want a certain man or (2) they fell off.
Until then, a woman generally knows she's the dealer at the table, and The House usually wins.
Per your example, "decent Christian girls" don't follow a mans' standards - they follow Christ's standards. Those who like that kind of girl can tell the difference.
Simple.
"It must be your ass, cuz it aint your face."
I think people forget this line when it comes to defending Tip Drill.
In the first few seconds of the video. The women lined up to greet the men, turn and present their asses at the same time for the men to choose.
Sure, were there women shaking their ass in the video? Yeah. But context matters.
In Tip Drill, the whole video is strictly for the male gaze, male audience. Women are merely (lyrically implied faceless) props. *Cue the infamous credit card scene*
Twerk: also has women shaking their ass for a contest. Women celebrating each other. Women having fun. Now, I hear some of the judges in the contest were men, but they werent present in the video.
The video started with a women calling all women to show up, show out, to get flewed out. And all through the video we see women having fun enjoying each other.
Tip Drill, couldve possibly saved face by having a verse by a female rapper who flipped the table like a couple other famous songs. A lil Kim or Trina to level the playing field.But it didnt.
Tried to get through a few more secs of the vid. Nah its just straight up porn and objectification. How can yall seriously compare this to Twerk?The song is named after a dance and there are girls on the beach and in the water doing the dance appropriately wearing bathing suits, sometimes more for a dance contest.
Whats the context for Tip Drill? The video is basically the insides of a brothel.
I feel where you coming from.
But at the end of the day it doesn’t matter if it's Nelly or if its Cardi B. Its STILL scantily clad women shaking they asses.
I can’t STAND Cardi B, she’s trash, and the only ONLY motivation for me to watch her video is to see the scantily clad sistas twerking in the background. And any heterosexual man watching the video is gonna do the same thing, so the whole “Sins Of The Male Gaze” thing is a moot point when it all boils down to the fact that men like looking at half dressed women and Cardi B shot a video with the express
purpose of showing off half dressed women making suggestive and sexual gestures
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CinnaSlim
Queen of Swords
Thats you. You still missed the point. The video isnt made solely for sexual stimulation. The women arent in the video solely to be seen and to stimulate men. (The male gaze).
The women in the video have a voice. They arent props for male entertainment. That's where the idea of this video being empowering comes from. The women are practicing their autonomy over their own bodies.
The difference between Twerk and Tip Drill where people are saying well the women in both chose to be there is the messaging. One is fun and showing off talent. The other is girl you are only good for your body.
The problem seems to be that yall cant seem to understand female perspectives and that you think everything must be about you.
Women shaking their ass must be about men. Women showing skin must be for men. It can't be about fun, pride, showing off, showing out, competition, etc. Even if people did something for fame and money, it doesnt necessarily need to be about men.
I dont blame yall. Yall used to it being one way. Plus, context and subtlety aint really a strong suit for a lot of men.
Mr Hate Coffee
Veteran
Nah the goal is to create false lines of division in the black community and take the conversation away from racism and shift it into other things. With this division going on they know we can't be united for any cause. Look at BLM... say what you want but there was unity around the cause. The powers that be don't want another movement poppin off where we're on the same page.
They just struck gold going with the bw and LGBT community because of how vocal and dramatic they are. Easy targets.
Another issue that comes up is the weird way we are re-litigating shyt in the social media era.
I'll give gay people Kevin Hart. All in all; he should've deleted his tweet pass a certain point, once he decided to be this jolly negro. I get those tweets are money, but, so is "backlash."
It's hard for some people to see black and white words (see Liam Nesson) and take your mind to another dimension.
If he was on video saying that; you'd see a grainy video, a much younger Kevin wearing out of fashion clothes.
Some people would still be mad, but, that makes the "it was a long time ago" connect better.
As for 'Tip Drill.'
They not just moving the goal post, they moving the game from a football field to a basketball court.
The argument was headed by holy rollers that said; WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE IMAGE OF HALF NAKED BLACK WOMEN DRESSED AND ACTING AS STRIPPERS.
VIBE was one of the centers of that crowd.
Now, it's about men being/not being in the video and "female empowerment" and other feminist bullshyt (your body is not an avenue to empowerment, it's social capital--that's why you've never seen Barbara Bush's ass cheeks).
I'm posting again because of Dormtainment's (
they have the opinions/views of safe Hollywood Negros still trying to "make it") podcast
I'll give gay people Kevin Hart. All in all; he should've deleted his tweet pass a certain point, once he decided to be this jolly negro. I get those tweets are money, but, so is "backlash."
It's hard for some people to see black and white words (see Liam Nesson) and take your mind to another dimension.
If he was on video saying that; you'd see a grainy video, a much younger Kevin wearing out of fashion clothes.
Some people would still be mad, but, that makes the "it was a long time ago" connect better.
As for 'Tip Drill.'
They not just moving the goal post, they moving the game from a football field to a basketball court.
The argument was headed by holy rollers that said; WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE IMAGE OF HALF NAKED BLACK WOMEN DRESSED AND ACTING AS STRIPPERS.
VIBE was one of the centers of that crowd.
Now, it's about men being/not being in the video and "female empowerment" and other feminist bullshyt (your body is not an avenue to empowerment, it's social capital--that's why you've never seen Barbara Bush's ass cheeks).
I'm posting again because of Dormtainment's (
they have the opinions/views of safe Hollywood Negros still trying to "make it") podcast
I disagree with this in the context that Deray and nem never had black people in mind.
Now, if you mean BLM pre them and refer to Deray and Netta as an outside force, then, I agree.
They always were in this for fame.
Notice, this is the only time you see him in the line of fire;
Notice he put his matching orange shirt back on in the mugshot
fukk him
Devilinurear
Veteran
Well, if we're mentioning context--and I put both videos in the same spot--this "male" "gazes" at the lionshare off the streams of that song and video.
I don't mean to pile on. But, this Trojan Horse of "female empowerment" got us (yes, us) mistaking physicality for actual control and power.
Let's not dismiss some context because we want to pretend this video is "not for men" for the shallow reasoning such as "there's no men in the video."
Again, I'm all for women displaying their sexuality and being comfortable in a crowd with it.
But, this conversation was headed by women back in 2007 waaaayyy differently then now. (see my last two posts in here)
You should be having that convo with those women.