Vibe Magazine: "Twerk" vs. "Tip Drill": The Clear Difference Between Empowerment & Degradation

[MrFantastic]

Simple.
"It must be your ass, cuz it aint your face."
I think people forget this line when it comes to defending Tip Drill.

In the first few seconds of the video. The women lined up to greet the men, turn and present their asses at the same time for the men to choose.

Sure, were there women shaking their ass in the video? Yeah. But context matters.

In Tip Drill, the whole video is strictly for the male gaze, male audience. Women are merely (lyrically implied faceless) props. *Cue the infamous credit card scene*

Twerk: also has women shaking their ass for a contest. Women celebrating each other. Women having fun. Now, I hear some of the judges in the contest were men, but they werent present in the video.

The video started with a women calling all women to show up, show out, to get flewed out. And all through the video we see women having fun enjoying each other.

Tip Drill, couldve possibly saved face by having a verse by a female rapper who flipped the table like a couple other famous songs. A lil Kim or Trina to level the playing field. But it didnt.

Tried to get through a few more secs of the vid. Nah its just straight up porn and objectification. How can yall seriously compare this to Twerk? The song is named after a dance and there are girls on the beach and in the water doing the dance appropriately wearing bathing suits, sometimes more for a dance contest.

Whats the context for Tip Drill? The video is basically the insides of a brothel.

I kind of understand this. From a woman perspective make sense.

Tip Drill from a man perspective is dudes having fun with some hoes. Both are ratchet fun.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Get off social media then. It's been obvious that social media is filled with dumb asses and dumb asses tend to have the loudest voice. Like I said, I've never heard of this Straight Black Male thing. Personally I don't give a fukk what some broad things about me or my masculinity. I'll do wtf I want when I want.

Why are you even surprised of hypocrisy on social media? nikkas and bytches have always been hypocrites

it's pretty much impossible to avoid, but I stopped taking the clowns on there serious a long time ago bruh. Just exposes how full of shyt people are and when you call them out on it, they move the goalposts and get to juelzing instead of just admitting their bias/agendas/full of shytness.

 

[Rekkapryde]

this is what warsamefarax does:
He forces black men into a white male frame and removes our historical identity because he's not AA, he's Somali. In HIS culture, men DO have the power to oppress women, and they do. My ex had parts of herself REMOVED by her FEMALE relatives at the behest of men. That's part of HIS culture. Female Genital Mutilation.

He will never go to any area with a Somali male majority presence and express his ideas because the consequences would be DIRE.
This 4th wave intersectional trend is a shortcut into "Black Relevance" for awkward 1st and 2nd gens who want to criticize AA people without consquence, under the guise of "social justice". You can see #thepattern of anti-black misandry in each post he uses the "Straight Male Persecution Complex" buzzphrase...He puts the Alt Right boogeyman right next to it as a dog whistle: "You have the same power as a white man right now because it fits my narrative" , not understanding how power dynamics in this country work.
He's part of a misandrist group that compares us to the dominant male culture without taking life metrics into consideration. You can't quantify or prove this, but I can prove that both black women and black gays (men and women included) have higher QOL metrics in EACH CATEGORY...despite having high rates of child abuse, filicide, domestic abuse, and other aspects of intimate partner violence. This is why he keeps using the phrase "straight male" without mentioning black. If he does that, the framimg makes ZERO sense. He reinforces the frame with the alt-right SNARL comparison despite there being no evidence...He's not AA and he carries cultural guilt regarding his own peoples' savage behavior toward women, so he kills two birds with one stone: Blame a straight African American man...to INGRATIATE yourself with a subset of educated Black Female and Black Gay Male gatekeepers, plus the white bemefactors keeping them in check.
White women, white men, and Black women writing 40-50 years of racist misandry under the guise of "gender study" replete with NEGRO BRUTE tropes...All @Warsamefarax does is regurgitate it.
All by design, just part of #thepattern

 

[MaxBundles]

Women together: "bytch this, bytch that. Shut up bytch!" = Besties
Men: "Shut up bytch: = Problem

Same logic

My ex and her best friend through the word bytch back and forth like NOTHING, damn near every other sentence but let me call her that and it's world war 3

 

[Rekkapryde]

Simple.
"It must be your ass, cuz it aint your face."
I think people forget this line when it comes to defending Tip Drill.

In the first few seconds of the video. The women lined up to greet the men, turn and present their asses at the same time for the men to choose.

Sure, were there women shaking their ass in the video? Yeah. But context matters.

In Tip Drill, the whole video is strictly for the male gaze, male audience. Women are merely (lyrically implied faceless) props. *Cue the infamous credit card scene*

Twerk: also has women shaking their ass for a contest. Women celebrating each other. Women having fun. Now, I hear some of the judges in the contest were men, but they werent present in the video.

The video started with a women calling all women to show up, show out, to get flewed out. And all through the video we see women having fun enjoying each other.

Tip Drill, couldve possibly saved face by having a verse by a female rapper who flipped the table like a couple other famous songs. A lil Kim or Trina to level the playing field. But it didnt.

Tried to get through a few more secs of the vid. Nah its just straight up porn and objectification. How can yall seriously compare this to Twerk? The song is named after a dance and there are girls on the beach and in the water doing the dance appropriately wearing bathing suits, sometimes more for a dance contest.

Whats the context for Tip Drill? The video is basically the insides of a brothel.

My beef with the "degradation" crowd related to Tip Drill is that as others have said, THESE WERE GROWN ASS WOMEN WHO MADE THE CHOICE TO DO THE VIDEO. Instead of being mad at Nelly and men who liked the jawn, why not direct your anger and disappointment at those CHOOSING ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL to do the video?

Don't choose to be mad at one and not be mad at the other. You don't think the women who did Tip Drill didn't think they were "having fun" shaking their ass?
You don't think they knew the lyrics to the song?
For one of the women in the song to even come up with the idea of the credit card shyt was , but no let's be mad at Nelly.

Gotta pick a struggle. Everything isn't meant for everybody. Yeah Tip Drill was made for a male audience....with WILLING FEMALE PARTICIPANTS.

What it boils down to is basically shaking your ass on videos and objectifying women for dudes is BAD. But doing the same for women is COOL. Gotcha. No need for the mental gymnastics.

The world is filled with hyprocricy and double standards, just admit to the them and keep it movin'. No need to try and justify it when it fits your agenda.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Y'all getting mad over nothing. If they wanna shake their butts and call it empowerment, let them. It's a free country. Move to a Mormon community or some small black town if you don't like it.

This Straight Black Male thing isn't real. As matter of fact, I never heard of it until I ran into the Coli.

You agreed with women being the weak link of every culture, don't change up for daps breh.
@CinnaSlim oh you ain't know?

 

[Rekkapryde]

My ex and her best friend through the word bytch back and forth like NOTHING, damn near every other sentence but let me call her that and it's world war 3

it's just one of those things. Just like saying nikka. We can do it among each other, but don't let a cac do it. And is it hyprocrisy? Yeah, but I can admit it that it is. Those the rules, yall can't say it, we can. Get over it. Cacs

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

You agreed with women being the weak link of every culture, don't change up for daps breh.
@CinnaSlim oh you ain't know?

I don't recall that comment, but I take it back if so. I know Women can be strong too. They took over the factories during WW2 when men were fighting overseas.

Regardless I think everyone should have the freedom to express themselves, let humans be human. There's the theory of hoes contributing to ruining society, but fukk it, let them cook. I'm not with all that Sharia Law shyt and I'm definitely not about to stress myself out on what some individual is doing.

 

[kevm3]

Y'all getting mad over nothing. If they wanna shake their butts and call it empowerment, let them. It's a free country. Move to a Mormon community or some small black town if you don't like it.

This Straight Black Male thing isn't real. As matter of fact, I never heard of it until I ran into the Coli.

Thats the problem with rhis country. We are letting people live in an utter state of delusion and saying nothing. If these women want to shake their butts, thats on them, but when they are telling other women, including little girls, that that is empowerment, people have every right to call out this idiocy.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Thats the problem with rhis country. We are letting people live in an utter state of delusion and saying nothing. If these women want to shake their butts, thats on them, but when they are telling other women, including little girls, that that is empowerment, people have every right to call out this idiocy.

this whole thottin' culture is past ridiculous.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

Guess its OK for black women to degrade each other, but not black men.

What logic is that? Degrading is degrading.

But I want to hear the Coli females speak on this.

They'll conveniently avoid this im sure.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Thats the problem with rhis country. We are letting people live in an utter state of delusion and saying nothing. If these women want to shake their butts, thats on them, but when they are telling other women, including little girls, that that is empowerment, people have every right to call out this idiocy.

You can't tell these grown woman what to do though, they'll never change for you. You fight it and it grows bigger. On top of that you have remember all the men that feed into hoe culture.

Just be the best parent you can be and teach your daughterright. They'll get grown and decide for themselves. This is the dilemma between a Free World and Sharia Law, we can both agree that the Free World is better despite the downsides.

 

[philmonroe]

My beef with the "degradation" crowd related to Tip Drill is that as others have said, THESE WERE GROWN ASS WOMEN WHO MADE THE CHOICE TO DO THE VIDEO. Instead of being mad at Nelly and men who liked the jawn, why not direct your anger and disappointment at those CHOOSING ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL to do the video?

Don't choose to be mad at one and not be mad at the other. You don't think the women who did Tip Drill didn't think they were "having fun" shaking their ass?
You don't think they knew the lyrics to the song?
For one of the women in the song to even come up with the idea of the credit card shyt was , but no let's be mad at Nelly.

Gotta pick a struggle. Everything isn't meant for everybody. Yeah Tip Drill was made for a male audience....with WILLING FEMALE PARTICIPANTS.

What it boils down to is basically shaking your ass on videos and objectifying women for dudes is BAD. But doing the same for women is COOL. Gotcha. No need for the mental gymnastics.

The world is filled with hyprocricy and double standards, just admit to the them and keep it movin'. No need to try and justify it when it fits your agenda.

All of this and truth is a lot of men are suckers in this world and let what chicks say influence their pov too often. When its one of those chick videos with men being used as sexual props when have men as some group said that's wrong? I'm not trying to hear that bullshyt from women about exposure over grown women. They just jealous in most cases because they mad them type of jawns getting attention so they play the morality card to make sucker ass men feel like weirdos and switch up their views. fukk that bullshyt esp when you look at a lot of,the women who say this type of stuff look like. Straight conflict of interest on top of being hypocritical junk.

 

[philmonroe]

You can't tell these grown woman what to do though, they'll never change for you. You fight it and it grows bigger. On top of that you have remember all the men that feed into hoe culture.

Just be the best parent you can be and teach your daughterright. They'll get grown and decide for themselves. This is the dilemma between a Free World and Sharia Law, we can both agree that the Free World is better despite the downsides.

Yep that's the problem with cats too often trying to tell other people they have no control over how to run their shyt. Just worry about you and yours if you have kids because you have no control over anyone else.

 

[PhillyzFinest]

Just because there were no men in the video ... doesn't mean men aren't going to watch!!!

I watched the Tip Drill Video and loved seeing all that ass shake.

I watched the Twerk Video and loved seeing all that ass shake.


Look, women can feel how they wanna feel. It's a waste of time to argue about what they SHOULD feel. Let em have it.