You have yet to prove that any of this is because of hip hop though. If anything, it is a sign of the the continuous tradition of what is genuinely "black" or authentically black is defined by the "folks" or people at the bottom. Our relation to those people and our connection to them are a significant portion of the lives of most black people in some way or form. So you are right in the sense that hip hop--a culture derived from those at the bottom--acts to reinforce black culture in a way that it is not reinforcing culture for others, but it doesn't mean that people will act upon the most dangerous aspects of that culture in their personal lives. For all the talk of diversity and understanding on television, you can more closely attribute how one perceives the world by looking at their immediate surroundings than what the media gives them. Whatever idea hip hop may plant in their head, the world around them has to give them the access and the emphasis to go about it.But if you look at things holistically, it is a bit of an ivory tower-ist fallacy to pretend that if the deleterious mentality and life decisions promoted in hip-hop that mirror real life situations are STRICTLY problems DIRECTLY born of low socioeconomic status/inner city ills. As someone who grew up middle class in a mostly black city (in the same regional locale as Malice, actually), and was pretty comfortable in social environments ranging from the projects to field parties with white folks, I can't sit here and act like criminality, anti-academic mentalities, general Idontgiveafukkism, etc. was confined to the realm of single mother-head impoverished homes in redlined food deserts with shytty schools. I would be lying because I've seen far too many middle class black males from decent homes fukk up and do stupid shyt for no good reason at all...drop out of school, sell drugs, home invasions, murder and get murdered. They are middle class white wannabe gangsters who do similar stuff, but it's significantly more prevalent amongst black people.
Your anecdotal evidence--unlike the evidence that many of us have, does nothing to dispute those facts. It does not in anyway undermine my general premise that hip hop--is very far down the list of things to blame (and you don't disagree). No one said that it has no impact, I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with.
I'm using sociologist as a place holder for legitimate critical race theorists and professors. Obviously, I'm not saying every academic makes sense and their research is also something that we can all undermine.If you want to bring up sociology, sociologists aren't in some sort of monolithic agreement. @ssholes like Charles Murray are sociologists.
The selection you posted reaffirms my post, and again, I'm not sure where your disagreement is.Orlando Patterson was at least somewhat right in his 2006 NYT piece when he said this:
I'm not being generally dismissive of any group, I undermined his point and said that he knows better than to frame the argument as narrowly as he did. He's using the cliched shortcut that stops one from fulling delving into problems. I feel like I have to push back against that whenever I can. I do not want people to lose sight of bigger obstacles.
At this point, I want to argue with you, but there's nothing to argue. You're making my point for me.The crime-correlation thing doesn't tell us much either way, other than hip-hop can't be the most important causative factor in crime, dropout, teen pregnancy rates, etc., but nobody with any sense thinks that anyway. But it doesn't prove that hip-hop isn't having a negative effect either because they dip in crime since the mid-90's could be attributed to the decline of the crack trade, revamped housing policies (mixed-income housing, tearing down public housing), innovations in policing/law enforcement like COMSTAT and cameras being everywhere, increased incarceration, higher abortion rates, more available birth control, and a lot of other factors, and it's still disproportionately high amongst black communities.
And to your final point about Malice. I said, "his heart is in the right place, but he's wrong." As he stated it, he framed it as if hip hop was the primary factor and that's how those posters took his statement. In that context he is wrong, and you did not disagree with that. It looks like we're on the same page and your only disagreement is how I stated things in 3 minute write up.




About the guns he bust and drugs he's sold. Trey Songz, Chris Brown, Tyrese lover boy R&B cats rap it's cussing and being "hard". We are the only group of ppl that glorifies being from the hood. Do white ppl glorify trailer parks and make songs about Meth that's played on mainstream radio? But what's really sad is that the rap culture is synonymous with all blacks now. Especially the black male. Rap makes me sick now and I wish more of us could see the truth like myself and
I thought they was Movin dem keys breh
A lot of people in the 757 felt a way about that.
. Sounds forced. And from malice perspective why does it make sence for him to have an evil element to his music?