Wade: Bron catching Jordan is a pipes dream

[David_TheMan]

Yeah you are jnept and I notice you smipped over the post about Jordan play pg by a other poster cosigning the facts I posted in Jordan also ramping pip who lm never surpassed Jordan on any level.

Like I said you neve saw this shyt at all.
If you did what galaxy on your satellite did you watch thus shjt on.
What channel outlet was the games on, and what provider supplied the telecast in that region.
You won't answer this because you don't fukk'n know and talking complete bullshyt unsupported by facts.
Let alone an eye test,...

You lauced't sir,...
All I have to do is quote the poster about and put an ampersand to your username to call you out.

So take your L,...


Art Barr

Who gies a fukk about you are some kid trying to claim Jordan was a PG when he wasn't.
Pippen was a far better defender than Jordan and even Jordan and Phil know that, Phil admitted it, which is why he gave him the toughest defensive assignments to protect Jordan.

I see you make up shyt to try to save face..
I don't need a galaxy satellite to see national NBC games dumb ass. Something I've already told you. We had basic cable, every week NBC on Channel 12 you see the bulls.

 

[David_TheMan]

@David_TheMan

You are done,....

Take ya L,....


Art Barr

Nothing to talk about MJ wasn't a PG and wasn't a natural PG or anything you tried to claim.
To claim he was a better PG than LeBron is idiotic, especially when your only argument is that he scored 32ppg.

 

[I.V.]

some real original insight in this thread, congrats

 

[Raw Lyrics]

I know Bron is better defensively than Jordan. I saw how the Bulls placed Pippen to the best offensive player to protect Jordan from foul trouble, I see how LBJ in year 13 still takes the best offensive player 1 -4 to guard when the pressure is on.

LeBron averages more assists because he is a point forward and he runs the offense, which is also why he has the ball more.

I can show you in terms of stats and results, that Jordan is only worth a two games to the Bulls over Pete fukking Myers.

This Post is so intellectually dishonest.

That first three-peat team was a dynasty and after Jordan left, the core team continued to run the triangle masterfully. Toni Kukoc is one of the greatest players to come from Europe, they still had Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and Steve Kerr. They still had Phil Jackson, Tex Winters and the other assistants. And most importantly the team still played defense, which relies less on talent and more on hustle and grit. Pippen said Jordan helped greatly to make him into the player he ultimately became.






And for those who weren't around to see the first three-peat team, Jordan leaving was a blessing in disguise for this bulls team, especially Pippen and Grant, who grew frustrated with constantly being referred to in the media, as the supporting cast (or Jordanaires - see book Jordan Rules). Jordan leaving, made them all step up their games both offensively and defensively, to show the world they weren't bums.


You also failed to mention...that while, yes you're right, Jordan leaving only cost them two games in the regular season, the stats FACTUALLY SHOW it also cost them a conference finals appearance, an NBA finals appearance in addition to an NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. How convenient for you to leave that out.

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Who gies a fukk about you are some kid trying to claim Jordan was a PG when he wasn't.
Pippen was a far better defender than Jordan and even Jordan and Phil know that, Phil admitted it, which is why he gave him the toughest defensive assignments to protect Jordan.

I see you make up shyt to try to save face..
I don't need a galaxy satellite to see national NBC games dumb ass. Something I've already told you. We had basic cable, every week NBC on Channel 12 you see the bulls.

Link where Phil Jackson says he was a "far better" defender. Please link me that bullsh1t.

Part of being on a dynasty is delegating a somewhat equal distribution of work. When Pippen came into his own, it was only logical to use him defensively on the team's best player....not because he was better but because it made team sense.

Jordan had 9 all defensive first teams, 4 of them came while Pippen wasn't even a factor in the NBA, to Pippen's 8 All-defensive first teams - Jordan also played less seasons than Pippen.

 

[Shutdown10]

What the fukk does going to two conference finals in the 80s mean when LeBron when LeBron took the Cavs through Detroit and to the Finals before he even hit his prime?
Who cares what Bird called Jordan.
So what that LeBron lost in the finals, he been in the playoffs more years of his career than Jordan did.

Fine with me.
Jordan never went to game 7 in the finals, who cares.
The Bulls swept pre-prime Shaq and Penny, after the previous year being swept by Shaq and Penny
You don't care that Jordan lost in the playoffs, that much is already understood.

Jordan had HOF Pippen and HOF Rodman, and HOF coach in Phil Jackson, had Parish as well,, and all star in Grant.
LBJ has never had a HOF coach, Had HOF Wade who physically broke down after LBJ got there and a all-star in Bosh.

The Pistons created the Jordan rules, the NBA banned the strategy because they wanted stars like JOrdan to flourish. That isnt a sign of greatness.
Jordan didn't go to 8 finals, talking about what he could have and should have done is a joke.
Doesn't matter if he got beat in teh playoffs in the 90s once or he didn't play at all because he was retired. He lost in the playoffs, period.

Stay off the crack pipe youngin! I think you a troll breh!

 

[David_TheMan]

Link where Phil Jackson says he was a "far better" defender. Please link me that bullsh1t.

Part of being on a dynasty is delegating a somewhat equal distribution of work. When Pippen came into his own, it was only logical to use him defensively on the team's best player....not because he was better but because it made team sense.

Pippen ran the offense according to Phil and ran the offense and handled the toughest defensive assignments.

Phil Jackson reminisces about Scottie Pippen (and his defense)

The other thing that I remember probably most about Scottie was a sequence which he had to direct the defense. Scottie was our voice on defense. He had, as you can tell, a tremendous voice. He has a deep resonating voice that could be heard on the court. And he also had the ability to talk to his teammates, and send them and direct them. But we had to trap Stockton when he got over half court, and try to get the ball out of his hands. And he had to come from the farthest place on the court to trap with either Steve Kerr if he was guarding Stockton, or Ronnie Harper if he was guarding Stockton, so we could get the ball out of his hands. And then he had to get back to the other side of the court once Stockton got the ball out of his hands. I can remember him calling and directing the team during those situations. Those are the things that made Scottie not only a great player, but also a great team leader that was so important to our basketball club….

“Well, you know, Scottie was like the utility defender. Whoever we needed between one and three to defend against, we used Scottie. Although we had a variety of guys, Johnny Bach our assistant coach used to call him Doberman. Send the Dobermans out there to get him. He and Michael would go out there and attack a player on the defensive end of the court, which was always such a good asset for a basketball club to be aggressive defensively…

“Well, one of the ways we got competitive action on the court was to put the [Jordan and Pippen] on different teams and let them elevate the game in practice a little bit. We would do that maybe once a month or twice a month just to get the competitive action on the court.

There is your Phil quote, Phil also said Scottie ran the offense

 

[David_TheMan]

This Post is so intellectually dishonest.

That first three-peat team was a dynasty and after Jordan left, the core team continued to run the triangle masterfully. Toni Kukoc is one of the greatest players to come from Europe, they still had Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and Steve Kerr. They still had Phil Jackson, Tex Winters and the other assistants. And most importantly the team still played defense, which relies less on talent and more on hustle and grit. Pippen said Jordan helped greatly to make him into the player he ultimately became.






And for those who weren't around to see the first three-peat team, Jordan leaving was a blessing in disguise for this bulls team, especially Pippen and Grant, who grew frustrated with constantly being referred to in the media, as the supporting cast (or Jordanaires - see book Jordan Rules). Jordan leaving, made them all step up their games both offensively and defensively, to show the world they weren't bums.


You also failed to mention...that while, yes you're right, Jordan leaving only cost them two games in the regular season, the stats FACTUALLY SHOW it also cost them a conference finals appearance, an NBA finals appearance in addition to an NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. How convenient for you to leave that out.

Nothing intellectually dishonest about my post, same intellectual honesty one would have to claim LBJ doesn't make his teammates better.
Which the post was a response to.

Pippen can say Jordan helped him all he wants,thats great, it took Pippen to take it to the next level.
Yeah Pippen did step up his game and became the unquestioned leader and even more offensively dominant when Jordan left, but again they only lost 2 games. Jordan wouldn't have saved them from what the Rockets were bringing, already said that.

 

[David_TheMan]

Stay off the crack pipe youngin! I think you a troll breh!

Don't dikkride Jordan and used the same flawed and biased logic you use against LeBron and I'm a troll.
SMH

 

[Shutdown10]

Don't dikkride Jordan and used the same flawed and biased logic you use against LeBron and I'm a troll.
SMH

I'm not dikkriding Jordan. You don't realize what you are doing here. You are trying to discount greatness when it has already been done at a higher level. History will not lower the bar for Lebron when Jordan has done things at a higher level in pretty much all the important categories already. Lebron will be a great, but to put him on Jordan's level is just absurd. You are trying to rewrite history for a player who has not won on a more higher level convincingly.

 

[David_TheMan]

I'm not dikkriding Jordan. You don't realize what you are doing here. You are trying to discount greatness when it has already been done at a higher level. History will not lower the bar for Lebron when Jordan has done things at a higher level in pretty much all the important categories already. Lebron will be a great, but to put him on Jordan's level is just absurd. You are trying to rewrite history for a player who has not won on a more higher level convincingly.

I haven't discounted Jordan at all, I've never diminished what he accomplished at all, and I've never torn it down, EXCEPT, to show the LeBron haters the same logic they put on him directed towards MJ.
History doesn't have to lower anything for LeBron, by the end of it I believe history will clearly vindicate LeBron and show that he is better and a higher caliber player than MJ.
Jordan isn't the be all end all level, Wilt is, and to ignore that is to ignore and rewrite history. The only thing I'm saying is that LBJ is only second to Wilt, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[Shutdown10]

Lebron's ship has sailed, so deal with it stan! No one is saying that Jordan can't be topped because maybe at this moment some kid practicing his game will usurp Jordan. To quote Marlo on The Wire "You want it one way but its the other way" That kid I repeat will not lose in the finals, have more finals mvps, have more regular season myps, a defensive myp, and other scoring ad defensive stats to compare or supersede Jordan. The bar is high, but it has been set already so stop lowering it.

 

[Shutdown10]

I haven't discounted Jordan at all, I've never diminished what he accomplished at all, and I've never torn it down, EXCEPT, to show the LeBron haters the same logic they put on him directed towards MJ.
History doesn't have to lower anything for LeBron, by the end of it I believe history will clearly vindicate LeBron and show that he is better and a higher caliber player than MJ.
Jordan isn't the be all end all level, Wilt is, and to ignore that is to ignore and rewrite history. The only thing I'm saying is that LBJ is only second to Wilt, nothing more and nothing less.

Lebron's ship has sailed, so deal with it stan! No one is saying that Jordan can't be topped because maybe at this moment some kid practicing his game will usurp Jordan. To quote Marlo on The Wire "You want it one way but its the other way" That kid I repeat will not lose in the finals, have more finals mvps, have more regular season myps, a defensive myp, and other scoring ad defensive stats to compare or supersede Jordan. The bar is high, but it has been set already so stop lowering it.

 

[David_TheMan]

Lebron's ship has sailed, so deal with it stan! No one is saying that Jordan can't be topped because maybe at this moment some kid practicing his game will usurp Jordan. To quote Marlo on The Wire "You want it one way but its the other way" That kid I repeat will not lose in the finals, have more finals mvps, have more regular season myps, a defensive myp, and other scoring ad defensive stats to compare or supersede Jordan. The bar is high, but it has been set already so stop lowering it.

Not losing in the finals is a distinction without merit, it literally means nothing at all to me.
Fact is LeBron can still equal or exceed MJ in total points, already higher in rebounds and assists, can catch or exceed him in titles, finals mvps, league mvps and etc.
Sorry but Jordan hasn't even placed a hurdle that LeBron can't jump, and in my opinion LeBron already has moved past him and magic and bird, who I had over Jordan.
Its okay buddy, Jordan can always remain #1 in your heart.

 

[Mr_X]

Lebron can't even catch his father. Let alone Jordan