Wade: Bron catching Jordan is a pipes dream

[Art Barr]

Bron does not win but he won 3 titles as the man on both teams, nikka you can't even speak on the man and talk about reality.

This is incomparison to Michael Jordan who win six and never lost.
You nikka be tweak'n and don't even read and skim.
Plus don't know the facts at all in any of this shyt.

Now, Continue to get owned by:


Art Barr

 

[homiedontplaydat]

If you want to talk about Kyrie talk about it in the thread where that shyt came up. This thread aint about him, its about MJ and if LBJ can catch him. So stop trying to derail.
As for Kyrie, he gets all the love he needs and he isn't being short changed at all.
LeBron led that team, he lead the comeback, he led the defensive and the winning effort in game 7.
The stats aren't misleading at all, but hey you want to hate on LBJ for not taking the shot, and ignore the game winning defensive play and the setup that led to Kyrie's shot, fine.
Just hold MJ to the same standard with the Kerr and Paxton shots. Hold the same standard for Shaq and TD with Horry shots. But you LBJ haters never do, because you don't know what objectivity is, blinded by a hate for LBJ for whatever reason.

The Cavs had several offensive slumps during that series that they would have never recovered from had Kyrie not stepped up and took over the offense, Paxson and Kerr never had to take over they just hit shots when they were open.

I saw glimpses of Bron ready to quit last year before Draymond got suspended as well. Golden State was taking his lunch before that suspension happened and then Iggy and Bogut got hurt and now u have "henny bron" acting like he really beat the REAL warriors...and by himself too

Kyrie was the real finals MVP last year no matter what those stats say, he kept them alive when Bron was being shut down

 

[Supercoolmayo]

Lebron was shutdown?

 

[David_TheMan]

It is not hate and I used to be the biggest bron Stan on this board, too.
I was the biggest Wiggins Stan and I definitely know more about Michael Jordan than nikkaz on this board as well.
As I definitely am a bigger fan of Michael Jordan than nikkaz as well.

As soon as I stopped propping bron.
Y'all bron supporters got owned by Kobe stans.
When, there was an argument that easily was in bron favor.
I know what it was before bron became his own worst enemy and debunked himself.
As I am a person who put the indefensible argument out there.
to dispel and shut up Kobe haters to keep them off y'all other bron supporters neck
Bron created the mythos and success of Gs.
Bron even created why in the end Kobe lapped him from behind in legacy as well.

As bron will never surpass even Kobe in argument now.
Bron, exposed he really had no large bball IQ or ability to execute.
when of size position iq adequate to high IQ paint defenders are present.
It is just the Admin issues and argument of Gs in this year's finals by semantics.
makes it fair game in general fan perception.
Yet anyone who knows bball knows that gs had no adequate IQ and of size rim protection.
Then were reduced in effectiveness on the defensive end from the loss of bogut.
Coupled with admin issues to draymon.
Which was triggered by social issues, between him and draymon because the warriors embarrassed bron.
from the previous finals through the regular season till this year's finals.
[whereas alternatively a green noob wolves lewd by wig/kat bested the warriors in a mentally gripping IQ possession detailed ot game during the regular season].
When real talk, when bron was in the driver's seat..he let a nikka blow in his fukk'n ear and that is worse than anybody calling you a bytch.
Bron was grasping for straws.
feeling some type of way and lashed out in his passive aggressive manner.
to put into play admin issues to aid him with draymon.
He never singlehandidly bested the warriors.
He passive aggressively acted like a cheating bf jn wrasslin.
who has been owned by a heel champion via the work.
That now he can act villified in a tweener fashion.
to aid him to secure a title.

Only reason fair is fair in pr for a casual in this.
Is all because of the cavs previous injuries in the previous finals.
being undermanned with effective iq and pedigree player.
which fell on bron because his admin of the team.
Traded away the pedigreed piece in Wiggins he needed to convert.
All because he is not a lone wolf dog like Jordan was at all.
So this whole fake ass bron is equivalent to.
Jim brown on the browns in a bball uniform for the cavs myth is could exist.



Art Barr

Dont talk to me about other folks man.
I'm me, I got here Dec 2015. I don't remember having in depth talks with you and quite frankly its not personal to me. I enjoy the discussion of LBJ's placement, I just am not a MJ dikk rider, I don't think he is the GOAT. I appreciate LBJ's game and if you critique him I just want to see it applied across the board evenly to all players.

As for Kobe, he isn't in my top 20 players of all time, let alone even in the convo to break in top 5 for me.

As for the excuses for this year, did you make those same excuses for the GS to put them down last year? Did you make the same excuse for the Lakers losing to the Bulls?
LBJ let Lance blow in his ear and then put the Pacers out, who gives a fukk, he takes care of his business.
2 years ago he had a 2 -1 lead on the warrior really should have been 3 - 0 on the warriors by himself and you talk about him never single handidly besting the warriors, nah man. That doesn't sit well with what actually has happened in reality. NBA isn't wrestling, no heels or faces, he does what it takes to win, and he accomplished something that never had been done before, posting stats that never had been done before and you all try to ignore that so you can write a story of him not being "good enough" to praise and its ridiculous.

Andrew Wiggins doesn't mean shyt to the convo, dikk ride the man all you want, he isn't what they needed last year and the year before to win Now. Period.
Jordan wasn't a lone wolf, Jordan only had success with Pippen and PHil Jackson as his coach. Always needed a real rebounded as well, whether it was Horace or Rodman. So the Jordan lone wolf myth needs to die, he was never alone and when he was alone he wasn't taking his team to the finals, he was getting that ass busted by the Pistons and Celtics. Period.

 

[David_TheMan]

The Cavs had several offensive slumps during that series that they would have never recovered from had Kyrie not stepped up and took over the offense, Paxson and Kerr never had to take over they just hit shots when they were open.

I saw glimpses of Bron ready to quit last year before Draymond got suspended as well. Golden State was taking his lunch before that suspension happened and then Iggy and Bogut got hurt and now u have "henny bron" acting like he really beat the REAL warriors...and by himself too

Kyrie was the real finals MVP last year no matter what those stats say, he kept them alive when Bron was being shut down

The Cavs had a slump Kyrie did his job, JR did his job, or some other player stepped up and did their job and its a knock against LeBron. Paxson, Kerr, Longley, Pippen do their job and its not held against Jordan. Rick Fox, Horry do their job its isn't held against Shaq or Kobe. Kawhai does his job, tony does his job, Manu does his job, it isn't held against TD. Stop kid, the bias is showing.

You saw what you wanted to see. Bron didn't quit and LBJ led his team from a 3 -1 deficit to a world title, a feat that never has been done before. But Bogut got hurt, Kyrie and Love got hurt last year, so what, you all didn't shyt on that win and say Curry got lucky. Draymond and Iggy were in games 6 and 7, Iggy was in game 5, stop with the excuses.

Kyrie didn't lead the team on both sides of the court , didn't dominate statistically and impose his will on the game, he was excellent support for LeBron and now he is a champion. Good job, he is gonna have to increase his BB IQ, stop over dribbling, and learn how to make his team mates better to make the next leap, but he isn't the MVP last year and wasn't the finals MVP and he'll say that himself. The shot was beautiful, the block is the moment of that game.

 

[Art Barr]

The Cavs had a slump Kyrie did his job, JR did his job, or some other player stepped up and did their job and its a knock against LeBron. Paxson, Kerr, Longley, Pippen do their job and its not held against Jordan. Rick Fox, Horry do their job its isn't held against Shaq or Kobe. Kawhai does his job, tony does his job, Manu does his job, it isn't held against TD. Stop kid, the bias is showing.

You saw what you wanted to see. Bron didn't quit and LBJ led his team from a 3 -1 deficit to a world title, a feat that never has been done before. But Bogut got hurt, Kyrie and Love got hurt last year, so what, you all didn't shyt on that win and say Curry got lucky. Draymond and Iggy were in games 6 and 7, Iggy was in game 5, stop with the excuses.

Kyrie didn't lead the team on both sides of the court , didn't dominate statistically and impose his will on the game, he was excellent support for LeBron and now he is a champion. Good job, he is gonna have to increase his BB IQ, stop over dribbling, and learn how to make his team mates better to make the next leap, but he isn't the MVP last year and wasn't the finals MVP and he'll say that himself. The shot was beautiful, the block is the moment of that game.

Just stop breh,...

Bron allowed numerous losses in entire final series and needed the aid of those players being present to make his way.
While mike was never in those predicaments because he was never allowing those situations of despair to occur.
That is what you are not seeing.

Six and no losses.
Will always trump a number of losses.

You must not have ever looked in even a sporting section of the news paper for just standing and percentages.

1.oooo can never be touched by a decimal.
So what the fukk are you talking about.

Mj leads all categories in analytics and averages as 1,...

While bron does not do that.
You nikkaz are type dumb because you can't dispute a fukk'n fact.
The facts are not in your favor nor any intangible and i have cited the facts.
You are citing bullshyt opinions nikka.
So please back it up with tangible data of which you don't have and you don't know any of the data to how things arose with mike and Scottie or Michael Jordan as a player.
nikka I was there watching bulls practices before my moms got off work three times a weak outside the Amoco building at the health club next door.
I know the analytics and know this shyt and lived this shyt.

At the end of the day you are the one just talking bullshyt.

Michael Jordan is the original glove, the goat closer, the goat textbook skill executioner, the best player under any and all duress and had textbook mastery of skill of any shyt under duress.
The goat midrange player, the goat fake crossover, the goat low post perimeter player, the goat finals player, the goat etc.
The goat two way player, on offense and defense as well.
You nikkaz trying to big up bron and he has no facts to support this bullshyt claim and I am owning you nikkaz just like you would get owned if you brought this three little pigs straw house ass argument in any other knowledgeable sports arena.
I spare with scoop Jackson as a social contemporary on sports and hip hop.
You nikkaz are a fukk'n joke at this shyt..and need to stfu.

As on no day,...will bron ever be better than Michael Jeffrey fukk'n Jordan, period.


Art Barr

Till one of you nikkaz tell me what galaxy you watched all these Jordan games on and the network and cable outlet.
Y'all are not even qualified to even talk about Michael Jordan as you really did not see him play.

So stop it,.....



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

We can do this in timeline and post every game in timeline comparison and lebron would lose off eye test as well.

Art Barr

 

[David_TheMan]

Just stop breh,...

Bron allowed numerous losses in entire final series and needed the aid of those players being present to make his way.
While mike was never in those predicaments because he was never allowing those situations of despair to occur.
That is what you are not seeing.

Six and no losses.
Will always trump a number of losses.

You must not have ever looked in even a sporting section of the news paper for just standing and percentages.

1.oooo can never be touched by a decimal.
So what the fukk are you talking about.

Mj leads all categories in analytics and averages as 1,...

While bron does not do that.
You nikkaz are type dumb because you can't dispute a fukk'n fact.
The facts are not in your favor nor any intangible and i have cited the facts.
You are citing bullshyt opinions nikka.
So please back it up with tangible data of which you don't have and you don't know any of the data to how things arose with mike and Scottie or Michael Jordan as a player.
nikka I was there watching bulls practices before my moms got off work three times a weak outside the Amoco building at the health club next door.
I know the analytics and know this shyt and lived this shyt.

At the end of the day you are the one just talking bullshyt.

Michael Jordan is the original glove, the goat closer, the goat textbook skill executioner, the best player under any and all duress and had textbook mastery of skill of any shyt under duress.
The goat midrange player, the goat fake crossover, the goat low post perimeter player, the goat finals player, the goat etc.
The goat two way player, on offense and defense as well.
You nikkaz trying to big up bron and he has no facts to support this bullshyt claim and I am owning you nikkaz just like you would get owned if you brought this three little pigs straw house ass argument in any other knowledgeable sports arena.
I spare with scoop Jackson as a social contemporary on sports and hip hop.
You nikkaz are a fukk'n joke at this shyt..and need to stfu.

As on no day,...will bron ever be better than Michael Jeffrey fukk'n Jordan, period.


Art Barr

Till one of you nikkaz tell me what galaxy you watched all these Jordan games on and the network and cable outlet.
Y'all are not even qualified to even talk about Michael Jordan as you really did not see him play.

So stop it,.....



Art Barr

There is nothing to stop. You literally aren't talking about shyt, except bullshyt stories you've made up in your mind that have no statistical support, supported solely by your imagination, or a standard you don't carry to anyone else but Bron.

Bron has lost playoff series, every player has. Mike lost repeatedly to the Pistons, lost to the Celtics, had his coaches fired, like LeBron, because he couldn't make the next level.
6 finals with no losses, He lost in the playoffs to the Magic, Celtics, and Pistons.

The fact that you try to hold LeBron actually getting to the finals instead of being put out earlier rounds, shows how weak your argument actually is. I bet next you are going to tell me that only have 6 titles and beng 6-0 is better than Russell leading his team to 11 titles, right? because winning Pct is better than outright wins now. Yeah but we know that is bullshyt.

No Jordan doesn't lead all analytical categories. Highest PER a season is Wilt. MJ has highest PPG, after than most of the NBA statistical categories are led by Wilt Chamberlain, not Jordan.

Bron isn't as dominat as Wilt, I've already said that, Jordan isn't either.

You say something vague, and act as if you've actually said a fact, very strange behavior, show me this facts you got. Post and link them.
I've backed up what I've said, we know wher LBJ is in career assists, we know LeBron is within striking distance in total pts of MJ, we know where LeBron is in rebounds, these are facts. We know LBJ's number of triple doubles, we know MJ's these are facts.

We know you think a fact is MJ could have been a PG, which really kills all your credibilty.
I don't give a fukk if you dikk ride Jordan because you saw him practice, that isn't a fact nikka.
That said please actually post some stats to back up your opinion.

MJ was a good defender, not a better defender than Pippen, who isn't as good a defender as LeBron though.
A very good closer, but not statistically better closer than LeBron.
Both execute at a high level their respective offenses, although Bron actually ran his offense and called plays in a non triangle offense.
Best player under duress? How is he better than LeBron when in close out games and elimination games LeBron has better stats all across the board on him? Thats right he isn't.
MJ was a better scorer hands down.
MJ a better finals player, debateable. I'd take LeBron just off coming from the 3 -1 defecit.

nikka stop copying and pasting the same shyt, if you got stats post them, I told you to do this an hour ago.

fukk scoop jackson and fukk you to.

MJ aint better than Wilt, he isn't close to the best player of all time either. Damn hard to put MJ over Bird or Magic and after this shyt LeBron pulled this year, he is over Jordan Magic and Bird for me. Only person in front of him is Wilt.

 

[David_TheMan]

We can do this in timeline and post every game in timeline comparison and lebron would lose off eye test as well.

Art Barr

LBJ already better than MJ, take his dikk out your mouth. MJ aint the be all end all, never was that to be honest.
Stern sold you kids in Chicago and across the world a fukking myth and you ate it up.

 

[Art Barr]

Michael Jordan's debut, 30 years ago | Chicago Bulls

Only thing in timeline comparison bron has to Michael Jordan is.
Bron averaged sixteen points a game his rookie year.
While mj scored sixteen points in his debuted and went on to average 28 a game.

That is where all comparisons stop.
You nikkaz ain't ready for the ether.
So you better stop the bullshyt,....
Cause you not ready and it ain't not one fact that can save you.

I can start from their first games as pros.
If we list their first championship moment after high school you will lose.
Which ever way you want it,...you getting that table in this.

Now, get my tables....


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Now when one of you bytchass bron fans.
can say you know the cable outlet and satellite galaxy and sports network.
that you watched all these Jordan on the bulls games in.
Then you can talk till then, stfu cause you don't know and you not qualified to speak if you don't know.


Art Barr

The outlet is not wgn,....

 

[BrothaZay]

Wade jealous that Lebron went to Miami and instantly became the leader and best player as soon as he stepped off the plane. Then Lebron left the corpse Miami team to go back home to Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, JR Smith and a formidable young team and lead that team as the leader, best player, GM, and part owner. Wade went home to Chicago to be the side kick to Jimmy Butler and the corpse of Rajon Rondo.

Wade was better than Lebron in 2011

 

[Raw Lyrics]

Because Bron's overall game doesn't come at the expense of winning. Jordan went 5-6 in that run which is pretty much the perfect example of stat-padding.

Stats don't properly define defense. Lebron's versatility, vision, and play recognition make him able to be a quasi-anchor defensively. That versatility and IQ mixed with his freakish athletic ability makes defenses think second guess passes all the time because live turnovers against Lebron are instant points.

Lebron isn't nearly as good as MJ but he's obviously a more versatile overall player. Lebron runs offenses, calls sets, and acts as the point guard for championship-capable offensive squads and typically acted as PG for most of his championship runs. MJ acted as a PG for 11 games and had a losing record despite the stats with little to no team success and got all of his success when Jordan wasn't on control of the offense and dominating the ball.

This post is incorrect, Jordan actually played Point Guard for the majority of the 1988 NBA season and averaged 32 ppg, 8 assists and 8 rebounds per game, 3 steals per game, 53% fg, 85% ft, (That season alone, is arguably better than any season LeBron has ever had).

Wasn't even his natural position. Reason he discontinued playing PG was because running an offense, leading the league in scoring, and being the best defensive guard was just too taxing.

Also, Pippen was being molded by fire, via Jordan, during practice, resulting in his eventual ascension as the Bulls playmaker.


EDIT: oh and Chicago won 50 games that year with Jordan doing everything and a green Pippen/Horace Grant.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

There is nothing to stop. You literally aren't talking about shyt, except bullshyt stories you've made up in your mind that have no statistical support, supported solely by your imagination, or a standard you don't carry to anyone else but Bron.

Bron has lost playoff series, every player has. Mike lost repeatedly to the Pistons, lost to the Celtics, had his coaches fired, like LeBron, because he couldn't make the next level.
6 finals with no losses, He lost in the playoffs to the Magic, Celtics, and Pistons.

The fact that you try to hold LeBron actually getting to the finals instead of being put out earlier rounds, shows how weak your argument actually is. I bet next you are going to tell me that only have 6 titles and beng 6-0 is better than Russell leading his team to 11 titles, right? because winning Pct is better than outright wins now. Yeah but we know that is bullshyt.

No Jordan doesn't lead all analytical categories. Highest PER a season is Wilt. MJ has highest PPG, after than most of the NBA statistical categories are led by Wilt Chamberlain, not Jordan.

Bron isn't as dominat as Wilt, I've already said that, Jordan isn't either.

You say something vague, and act as if you've actually said a fact, very strange behavior, show me this facts you got. Post and link them.
I've backed up what I've said, we know wher LBJ is in career assists, we know LeBron is within striking distance in total pts of MJ, we know where LeBron is in rebounds, these are facts. We know LBJ's number of triple doubles, we know MJ's these are facts.

We know you think a fact is MJ could have been a PG, which really kills all your credibilty.
I don't give a fukk if you dikk ride Jordan because you saw him practice, that isn't a fact nikka.
That said please actually post some stats to back up your opinion.

MJ was a good defender, not a better defender than Pippen, who isn't as good a defender as LeBron though.
A very good closer, but not statistically better closer than LeBron.
Both execute at a high level their respective offenses, although Bron actually ran his offense and called plays in a non triangle offense.
Best player under duress? How is he better than LeBron when in close out games and elimination games LeBron has better stats all across the board on him? Thats right he isn't.
MJ was a better scorer hands down.
MJ a better finals player, debateable. I'd take LeBron just off coming from the 3 -1 defecit.

nikka stop copying and pasting the same shyt, if you got stats post them, I told you to do this an hour ago.

fukk scoop jackson and fukk you to.

MJ aint better than Wilt, he isn't close to the best player of all time either. Damn hard to put MJ over Bird or Magic and after this shyt LeBron pulled this year, he is over Jordan Magic and Bird for me. Only person in front of him is Wilt.

why aren't we talking bout how he Warriors had an epic comeback against the thunder in the playoffs? Is it because they lost when it mattered? Bron took almost 10 years before he won a finals. Jordan is 6 of 6 when it mattered most. Y'all young nikkas act like those old school jazz and pacers wouldn't have ran a train on the nba of today. Jordan is the greatest. Nothing bron kan do will ever kompare to what Jordan was in his prime. Jordan lost to legendary and pistons. Bron lost to the flabby 00s Detroit, Celtics, dwights magic and Spurs twice and dallas who weren't a favorite in 2011.

 

[David_TheMan]

Playoffs so important why aren't we talking bout how he Warriors had an epic comeback against the thunder in the playoffs? It's because they lost when it matter. Bron took almost 10 years before he won a finals and got bounced when the media was hyping a Kobe vs bron battle. Jordan is 6 of 6 when it mattered most. Y'all young nikkas act like those old school jazz and pacers wouldn't have ran a train on the eastern conference of today. Jordan is the greatest. Nothing bron kan do will ever kompare to what Jordan was in his prime. Jordan lost to legendary Celtics lakers and pistons. Bron lost to the Celtics, dwights magic and Spurs twice and dallas who weren't a favorite in 2011.

People were talking about the Warriors comeback against the Thunder.
Its just you get overshadowed when you then let someone perform the same thing against you in the finals.

Like I said before it makes no sense to critique a team for getting to the finals and losing, and claiming that is a worse feat than losing in the earlier playoff rounds and never even getting to that level.
So what that it took him 10 years before winning, he got there and he has won, while some got there and never won or some never even got there to even have a shot.
Jordan won 6 finals he attended, great, nice stat, doesn't matter compared to Bill Russell who won 11 chips, 8 straight, you think if Jordan knew he had to lose two finals appearances but he would get 2 more rings he wouldn't take it? Damn right he would add two more titles to his resume if he could, but yall are so bias in looking for anything anything that could use to put LeBron down, that youcome off as foolish.

Now you folks trying to talk about hypothetical to try to bolster your argument because you know for a fact Jordan can't say he went through any other prime ATG teams during the Bull's run.

No Jordan isn't the greatest, the greatest NBA marketing job maybe, but Bird, Magic, Kareem, Wilt and LBJ have a shot at greatness which isn't a joke ni the slightest, and Wilt IMHO is the clear greatest based by work on teh court.

Jordan also lost to the pistons, also didn't do shyt with the Wizards except destroy a organization right?.

Bron lost to the Big 3 Celtics, Dwights Magic which he played out of his mind and the team wasn't good enough, and a dynasty Spurs.
Jordan beat a shot Lakers and a bunch of ok teams, retired when the Rockets were coming on, and returned after their run was over.