Was Dru hill below average (update episode added)

[BO BARON]

They were more or less hurt from their looks, sounding a little like jodeci (kc mostly) & coming after around & before alot of other legendary male groups

But boy them dudes had some really great songs

You can put their individual songs against the best of the best & theyre going blow for blow.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I must be in living in a n alternate reality from some of you. Because when I was growing up , at in my age group ,Dru Hill was more popular than 112, Jagged Edge, and all of the other groups that were out during that era. Even my oldest brother who will be 40 this year, him and his friends fukked with Dru Hill more then any other R&b group that was around at that time. Even today people still play their song's. I remember being at a party s few years ago, and right in the middle of the party a few of my friend's and I started signing random Dru Hill songs. Just because some of you don't like Dru Hill, doesn't mean other people don't like them. I never saw so much hate towards Dru Hilm until became a member of this Website.

You’re misremembering.

yes, 112 and JE were out during Dru Hills prime but 112 and JE didn’t peak until after Dru hills run was over

Dru Hill was the last great R&B group. Unsung was created to give them their just due. They had 3 huge albums.

are you counting Sisquo’s solo as the 3rd album?

112 and JE were great groups

 

[Awesome Wells]

Dru Hill was a dope group.

A lot of classic tracks and a couple of good albums. They deserved a longer run, but drama in the group cut that short for them. The Jodeci comparisons are wild. The group was good, but they weren't anywhere near the level of a Jodeci. It's not even close.

 

[The_Third_Man]

You'd get laughed at if you called Dru Hill anything but wack back in the day.

 

[Taadow]

You'd get laughed at if you called Dru Hill anything but wack back in the day.

What??

Back in which "day" are you talking about??

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

My bad on the mis-read of the part of your post in regard to Dru being relevant in 2004.

I wasn't cutting anyone's run short. You're acknowledging that 112 was relevant in 2001 and had a hit in 2005. You can't say the same for Dru. You do realize that both groups debuted within months of each other. Again, 112 had a longer run. And more importantly, I never said that made Dru Hill average. My whole point with even mentioning 112 and Jagged Edge is how Dru Hill could be viewed as "below average". They had a shorter run than both groups.

In terms of a stimulus, you are agreeing that Dru Hill benefited from the So So Def remix. Also the original was a Darryl Simmons standard and he was as big in the R&B world as Jermaine Dupri and was more respected and proven as a hitmaker in R&B than Bad Boy. He didn't just co-write and co-produce the og "In My Bed" for Dru either. He did other songs for them.

And yes, Dru Hill benefited from being on soubdtracks from the beginning of the career from Eddie to How To Be A Player to Soul Food to Rush Hour to Wild Wild West.

Jodeci's albums are highly regarded. If bot you couldn't use them to "pump fake" your way into anything. It's like Illmatic or Paid In Full. Iconic albums that are go to albums that people who aren't knowledgeable could name drop to look like they know what they are talking about.

Jodeci is Jodeci because of those albums and no nobody, but posters on The Booth calls out Jodeci for not having classic albums. Outside of The Booth, those albums are classics. And no a classic album isn't some flawless piece of perfection.

jodeci not having classic albums isn't a booth thing. that chit is common knowledge if you were cognizant in real-time.
whats funny is, you are trying to take it further than the classic tag and claim that they have iconic albums.
examples of iconic albums from their heyday are joints like "12 play" and "whats the 411". jodeci never even dropped a classic, let alone an iconic tape.

nobody had the Eddie soundtrack bro. stop throwing chit at the wall.
and those other soundtracks came AFTER dru hill was already the top group, and moreso benefited from dru hill, rather than the other way around.

the so so def remix came AFTER the original, which was already huge.
listen, im not saying that they did it all on their own. im saying that they didn't benefit from being down with a top team like 112 & JE did. neither of those groups had any standout stars and would've likely got lost in the shuffle after a hit or two.

im saying 112 was last hot in 2001. then they drifted off cuz of label chit. their last bad boy album circa 03 got thrown out there with no promo. they bounced back in 2005 with "you already know", which was no different than the dru hill reunion in '02, except dru hill had TWO popular singles. so for you to say that dru hill's 02-03 run doesn't count, but 112 counts for 2005 is contradictory. and we could already see that you had ulterior motives because you were initially trying to count dru hill out in...…….wait for it...…..1998.''

and this argument is all for nothing, because theres too much of a gap in impact between dru hill and the other groups, for it to even matter if the other groups stuck around longer. that's the part you don't get. and like I said, im team jagged edge for that era and would take them over dru hill anyday, but all bias aside, dru hill ruled that era. I understand that youre from Georgia like JE & 112, but you gotta put those biases on the shelf.

 

[JustCKing]

jodeci not having classic albums isn't a booth thing. that chit is common knowledge if you were cognizant in real-time.
whats funny is, you are trying to take it further than the classic tag and claim that they have iconic albums.
examples of iconic albums from their heyday are joints like "12 play" and "whats the 411". jodeci never even dropped a classic, let alone an iconic tape.

nobody had the Eddie soundtrack bro. stop throwing chit at the wall.
and those other soundtracks came AFTER dru hill was already the top group, and moreso benefited from dru hill, rather than the other way around.

the so so def remix came AFTER the original, which was already huge.
listen, im not saying that they did it all on their own. im saying that they didn't benefit from being down with a top team like 112 & JE did. neither of those groups had any standout stars and would've likely got lost in the shuffle after a hit or two.

im saying 112 was last hot in 2001. then they drifted off cuz of label chit. their last bad boy album circa 03 got thrown out there with no promo. they bounced back in 2005 with "you already know", which was no different than the dru hill reunion in '02, except dru hill had TWO popular singles. so for you to say that dru hill's 02-03 run doesn't count, but 112 counts for 2005 is contradictory. and we could already see that you had ulterior motives because you were initially trying to count dru hill out in...…….wait for it...…..1998.''

and this argument is all for nothing, because theres too much of a gap in impact between dru hill and the other groups, for it to even matter if the other groups stuck around longer. that's the part you don't get. and like I said, im team jagged edge for that era and would take them over dru hill anyday, but all bias aside, dru hill ruled that era. I understand that youre from Georgia like JE & 112, but you gotta put those biases on the shelf.

LOL. Jodeci's first album is iconic and Jodeci not having classic albums is definitely a Booth thing.

Dru Hill literally benefited from a "top team". In the realm of R&B, Darryl Simmons and Babyface>>>>> Jermaine Dupri and Puffy & The Hitmen in terms of brand and respect.

Me being from GA has nothing to do with this. 112 and JE had longer runs than Dru Hill. You have already attested to that in stating 112 was hot in 2001. This is 5 years after 112 and Dru Hill debuted and them you claimed 112 bounced back in 2005, which is 9 years from both groups debuting. Then you ask how it's different.

I didn't count Dru Hill out in 1998. I counted Dru Hill out AFTER the 90's.

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

For what it's worth, I enjoyed Dru World Order moreso than any 112 or JE album post 2K. Album had heat.


It was far from consistent, but the half dozen or so tracks that are on the upswing are damn near personal R&B classics to me, particularly I Love You, Mens Always Regret, My Angel/How Could You (the latter of which sounds like vintage Jodeci btw; the production, arrangement, Sisqo doing his best KCi Impersonation, etc.).




That said, why did y'all not something aboot this classic remix.








This could have been the OG for all as i'm concerned. Shiit is heat.




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[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Maybe I just don’t remember clearly.
I wasnt even a teen yet. But previous to that I was a big Dru/Sisqo fan.
I don’t remember that 3rd album having much impact. I Should Be was ok, but I don’t remember it getting played much on 106 or radio. Plus they added that new nicca and I was like mehhhh.
112 and JE had passed them at that point in popularity, and B2K.
Actually I can’t think of any RnB groups that really popped after the ones I just named. Maybe Pretty Ricky, if you can call that a RnB group.

dru hill's "I should be" and "I love you" were each on 106th for a good while and getting heavy radio spins brehski.
"I love you" in particular, was getting regular spins on the slow jam shows for YEARS actually.

and 112 was on hiatus by 2002. and nobody remembers their album from 2003, so I don't see how they were hotter than dru hill in those years.

lol @ B2K,

You'd get laughed at if you called Dru Hill anything but wack back in the day.

LOL. Jodeci's first album is iconic and Jodeci not having classic albums is definitely a Booth thing.

Dru Hill literally benefited from a "top team". In the realm of R&B, Darryl Simmons and Babyface>>>>> Jermaine Dupri and Puffy & The Hitmen in terms of brand and respect.

Me being from GA has nothing to do with this. 112 and JE had longer runs than Dru Hill. You have already attested to that in stating 112 was hot in 2001. This is 5 years after 112 and Dru Hill debuted and them you claimed 112 bounced back in 2005, which is 9 years from both groups debuting. Then you ask how it's different.

I didn't count Dru Hill out in 1998. I counted Dru Hill out AFTER the 90's.

"forever my lady" THE SONG is iconic. not the album.
everybody already broke it down for you, so im not gonna waste any time going back-n-forth about it.

in the realm of r&b that dru hill was apart of, JD & Puffy were the pinnacle at the time.

112's run was more spread out, but it wasn't any longer. 3 popular tapes with a few sporadic hits spread out. you can say the same for dru hill except dru hill did it on a much higher scale. theres levels to this - which are more important than counting up years.

you initially said dru hill hadn't been poppin since 1998. im gonna give you the benefit and chalk it up to maybe you just forgetting that part.​

 

[JustCKing]

dru hill's "I should be" and "I love you" were each on 106th for a good while and getting heavy radio spins brehski.
"I love you" in particular, was getting regular spins on the slow jam show for years actually.

and 112 was on hiatus by 2002. and nobody remembers their album from 2003, so I don't see how they were hotter than dru hill in those years.

That Dru Hill album from 2002 was not a big deal. You're harping on two songs that weren't even THAT big during that era, which was already broken down for you.

"forever my lady" THE SONG is iconic. not the album.
everybody already broke it down for you, so im not gonna waste any time going back-n-forth about it.

in the realm of r&b that dru hill was apart of, JD & Puffy were the pinnacle at the time.

112's run was more spread out, but it wasn't any longer. 3 popular tapes with a few sporadic hits spread out. you can say the same for dru hill except dru hill did it on a much higher scale. theres levels to this - which are more important than counting up years.

you initially said dru hill hadn't been poppin since 1998. im gonna give you the benefit and chalk it up to maybe you just forgetting that part.

Breh, nobody broke anything down. Anybody attempting to argue Dru Hill against Jodeci aside from personal preference need not even participate in an argument. Yes, Jodeci has an iconic album.

Puffy and Jermaine Dupri were not the pinnacle of R&B during that era. In that era, Babyface was still killing it. Other younger writers and producers had began to dominate at that point.

You're conceding that 112 had 3 popular tapes. The same can't be said about Dru Hill because the third album wasn't popular.

I didn't say 1998. I said after 1999. Their biggest album dropped in late 1998, why would I say 98 especially since they had "Wild Wild West" with Will Smith in 1999.

 

[Kliq_Souf]

I do disagree with saying Forever My Lady album wasn't classic or iconic.
It is a certified classic off impact alone, along with Diary of a Mad Band.
Even though both albums had several misses, mostly due to song sequencing and not balancing the singles, ballads, and "dance" records.

Forever My Lady:
Stay
Come and Talk to Me
Forever My Lady
I'm Still Waiting
U and I
Times We Share

If Forever was just those songs, its a 5 mic classic
Jodeci said in several interviews that some of these songs were already written before they came NY and signed by Uptown in 1989.

Then Diary came and solidified their "hardcore" image, because by '93 R&B had changed to that freaky, sexy style (R. Kelly, Silk, H-Town) and they were at the forefront of that image.


I'm still going with song for song, Dru albums were better... but iconic or impact goes to Jodeci for sure.

 

[Kliq_Souf]

dru hill's "I should be" and "I love you" were each on 106th for a good while and getting heavy radio spins brehski.
"I love you" in particular, was getting regular spins on the slow jam show for years actually.

and 112 was on hiatus by 2002. and nobody remembers their album from 2003, so I don't see how they were hotter than dru hill in those years.

lol @ B2K,

Lol, I only mentioned B2K in the context that they were a group. Although hardly R&B, more like Pop music.
Did 112 go on hiatus? It wasn't out of the ordinary for a 2-3 year gap between albums. Part III was bigger than Dru World Order. Jagged Little Thrill as well.

Groups had fallen off by that time 2001-2003 time span. I'm trying to think who was "hot" as far as male R&B in those years.
Usher, Tyrese, Jaheim, Ginuwine made a big comeback, Anthony Hamilton came around... of course Kells

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I do disagree with saying Forever My Lady album wasn't classic or iconic.
It is a certified classic off impact alone, along with Diary of a Mad Band.
Even though both albums had several misses, mostly due to song sequencing and not balancing the singles, ballads, and "dance" records.

Forever My Lady:
Stay
Come and Talk to Me
Forever My Lady
I'm Still Waiting
U and I
Times We Share

If Forever was just those songs, its a 5 mic classic
Jodeci said in several interviews that some of these songs were already written before they came NY and signed by Uptown in 1989.

Then Diary came and solidified their "hardcore" image, because by '93 R&B had changed to that freaky, sexy style (R. Kelly, Silk, H-Town) and they were at the forefront of that image.


I'm still going with song for song, Dru albums were better... but iconic or impact goes to Jodeci for sure.

this is the problem. you claim that the album is classic or iconic, but just list the singles and 1 random album cut. then say "well its a classic off of impact alone"

lol. yall want those jodeci albums to be classics so bad. nevermind the fact that you yourselves don't even care for 50% of their LPs.

lots of r&b acts were putting out WAY BETTER albums than jodeci, including all those artists you listed in parenthesis.

you can put jodeci's singles catalog up there with any act from any era or genre.
but the albums weren't IT bro. yall gotta stop that.

Lol, I only mentioned B2K in the context that they were a group. Although hardly R&B, more like Pop music.
Did 112 go on hiatus? It wasn't out of the ordinary for a 2-3 year gap between albums. Part III was bigger than Dru World Order. Jagged Little Thrill as well.

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yea, it wasn't out of the ordinary for a group to take a couple years off. im just saying, you said 112 was hotter than dru hill at the time, but they were nowhere to be found. and when they came back, not long after that, their album sold nothing.

that's the album you should be comparing to "dru world order", and dru hill's album was clearly bigger - which isn't saying much.

That Dru Hill album from 2002 was not a big deal. You're harping on two songs that weren't even THAT big during that era, which was already broken down for you.

FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, I never said the dru hill 2002 album was a big deal. im saying it was the equivalent to that 112 album in 2005 that you keep tryna hype up.

and you didn't break down anything. all you did was bring up some charts, with no sense of cultural impact.
dru hill's 2nd single off that album didn't chart well, but it was bigger culturally than the 1st single which did better on the charts.

Breh, nobody broke anything down. Anybody attempting to argue Dru Hill against Jodeci aside from personal preference need not even participate in an argument. Yes, Jodeci has an iconic album.

Puffy and Jermaine Dupri were not the pinnacle of R&B during that era. In that era, Babyface was still killing it. Other younger writers and producers had began to dominate at that point.

You're conceding that 112 had 3 popular tapes. The same can't be said about Dru Hill because the third album wasn't popular.

I didn't say 1998. I said after 1999. Their biggest album dropped in late 1998, why would I say 98 especially since they had "Wild Wild West" with Will Smith in 1999.

clearly, im the last one here basing my arguments on personal preference.
if it was about personal preference, dru hill doesnt make it past jagged edge in my book.

i dont know why i have to repeat myself 5 times when talking to you. I clearly said that IN THE PARTICULAR SECTOR OF R&B THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, puffy & jermaine were indeed the pinnacle at the time. not no f*ckin babyface.

heres the thing. dru hill's two popular albums, easily trump 112's three popular albums and its not even close.
that's not even counting the singles, soundtrack cuts, etc. I originally counted sisqo's debut. that's why I said 3, but we don't even need it.

you did say 1998 early on. then you changed up. im not gonna go back-n-forth about it. you saying 1999 is just as stupid, so I don't know why youre denying it. LOL. its pointless.

 

[JustCKing]

this is the problem. you claim that the album is classic or iconic, but just list the singles and 1 random album cut. then say "well its a classic off of impact alone"

lol. yall want those jodeci albums to be classics so bad. nevermind the fact that you yourselves don't even care for 50% of their LPs.

lots of r&b acts were putting out WAY BETTER albums than jodeci, including all those artists you listed in parenthesis.

you can put jodeci's singles catalog up there with any act from any era or genre.
but the albums weren't IT bro. yall gotta stop that.


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yea, it wasn't out of the ordinary for a group to take a couple years off. im just saying, you said 112 was hotter than dru hill at the time, but they were nowhere to be found. and when they came back, not long after that, their album sold nothing.

that's the album you should be comparing to "dru world order", and dru hill's album was clearly bigger - which isn't saying much.





FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME, I never said the dru hill 2002 album was a big deal. im saying it was the equivalent to that 112 album in 2005 that you keep tryna hype up.

and you didn't break down anything. all you did was bring up some charts, with no sense of cultural impact.
dru hill's 2nd single off that album didn't chart well, but it was bigger culturally than the 1st single which did better on the charts.





clearly, im the last one here basing my arguments on personal preference.
if it was about personal preference, dru hill doesnt make it past jagged edge in my book.

i dont know why i have to repeat myself 5 times when talking to you. I clearly said that IN THE PARTICULAR SECTOR OF R&B THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, puffy & jermaine were indeed the pinnacle at the time. not no f*ckin babyface.

heres the thing. dru hill's two popular albums, easily trump 112's three popular albums and its not even close.
that's not even counting the singles, soundtrack cuts, etc. I originally counted sisqo's debut. that's why I said 3, but we don't even need it.

you did say 1998 early on. then you changed up. im not gonna go back-n-forth about it. you saying 1999 is just as stupid, so I don't know why youre denying it. LOL. its pointless.

112 had just put out an album a full year prior to Dru Hill's third album. 112's Part III is their third album as Dru World Order is Dru Hill's third album, which is why there is comparison. Hot & Wet, the album that flopped for 112 was their fourth. They rebounded with their fifth album. Dru Hill ain't drop a fourth album until 2010 independently. Where is the fifth album? Now continue talking about Dru Hill's third album is the same as 112 dropping a fifth album. My point is proven. 112 had a longer run.

Breh, Babyface and Darry Simmons was very much apart of that sector. Without them Dru Hill's biggest songs don't exist. Babyface still had a successful solo career. He instrumental in Toni's sophomore album. There was the Soul Food soundtrack. Usher's "Slow Jams" and some other stuff.

Quote the post where I said 1998.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

112 had just put out an album a full year prior to Dru Hill's third album. 112's Part III is their third album as Dru World Order is Dru Hill's third album, which is why there is comparison. Hot & Wet, the album that flopped for 112 was their fourth. They rebounded with their fifth album. Dru Hill ain't drop a fourth album until 2010 independently. Where is the fifth album? Now continue talking about Dru Hill's third album is the same as 112 dropping a fifth album. My point is proven. 112 had a longer run.

Breh, Babyface and Darry Simmons was very much apart of that sector. Without them Dru Hill's biggest songs don't exist. Babyface still had a successful solo career. He instrumental in Toni's sophomore album. There was the Soul Food soundtrack. Usher's "Slow Jams" and some other stuff.

Quote the post where I said 1998.

"dru world order" and "hot n wet" were released in closer to the same time period. THATS THE POINT.
also, youre ignoring the sisqo stuff.

what part of IT DOESNT F*CKIN MATTER WHO LINGERED AROUND LONGER DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? 112 could've stuck around for 10 more years and they prolly still wouldn't have topped dru hill. LOL. does busta rhymes rank higher than big daddy kane to you??

im not searching 13 pages for a small quote homie. I got too much going on in life. and like I said, you saying 1999 just a few posts up, is just as dumb.

as for the bolded, you obviously don't understand what im saying. and im sure babyface himself would agree with me.