Was "Hardhome" the best episode of Game of Thrones? "Night's Watch, with me!"

[Artfull Dodger]

The story isn't supposed to foreshadow Arya killing the Night King because that is too flat of an arc, y'all want lineal stories where the obvious hero makes the obvious final move when nothing about GOT was based in straightforwardness.

The point is that everybody ended up doing what was best for the Seven Kingdoms or dying. Arya avenged her family but her path called for a higher/greater purpose than serving her own wishes alone.

I don't care for how Jon Snow ended up either because he was the perfect king and there was a way they could've done it but Arya killing the Night King made sense.

 

[Arianne Martell]

he was breaking oaths before he was dead like fukking that ugly wildling bytch

They actually got married

 

[TaxCollector13459]

But he didn't have the honor of his father. Broke his oath




Ned Stark would have took him into the godswood for a talking to if he knew this fool was out here breaking oaths.

How your b*stard brother got more honor than you and you the heir?

hard times build character, I feel like that was the difference

 

[sayewonn]

It really is amazing how much Season 8 killed any interest I had in the series. Like every time someone mentions Game of Thrones now my first thought is "oh yeah GOT, that was a thing".

 

[Standing on business]

I think it was obvious Arya was going to be the hero, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem the overall battle was wack

 

[the cool]

It really is amazing how much Season 8 killed any interest I had in the series. Like every time someone mentions Game of Thrones now my first thought is "oh yeah GOT, that was a thing".

Same here and for everyone else!!

Season 8 killed an entire series

 

[Eternally Jaded]

It was well written because it showed his humanity. Many princes and kings have made questionable moves over a woman. Wars have been started over women.

Robb, like everyone else, didn't have his father's honor. Literally no one in the world had Ned's honor which is a backbone in the show and why that world is the way it is.

You're looking at this from a modern point of view.

Robb was raised in the aftermath of Robert's Rebellion. He'd know the dangers of taking betrothals lightly.

He was also clearly at least 20 in the show.
He was a king at war, against a family with more men with better armor than he had.

Marrying a traveling nurse gaining nothing, is the stupidest thing he could've done, and Robb was never said to be stupid.
And it legit surprises me that you're defending that bs, since it speaks to how little the showrunners respected viewers intelligence, that they gave us that.

Human is trying to have your cake and eating it too.

Human would've been to sleep with her, taking her as a mistress while also marrying the Frey girl because she came with 4k men.

There was no logic behind that development. Nothing in regards to how his lords would react, what marriages any potential children could possibly make since their mother is damn near commonborn.

The writers gave us a lump of dry doodoo, and you're calling it gold?

Nah b.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

The entire show is a pump fake

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

its showed how terrible of a writer the showrunners were... the moment the book ran out they started making up some bullshyt that would have never happened in the books....the battle of the b*stards was straight up some grandiose shyt the books would have shytted on even tho it was scripted and shot well. The theme of everybody fighting for revenge dies was great until they turned this shyt to some bullshyt for people in bars to watch.... shyt season 7 was trash too. them going beyond the wall for no reason at all except to make a way for the night king to get passed it was the glaring warning sign for me. Cersei in season 6 turning into a james bond villian was one too...season 8 had nothing worth talking about in it

shows how a lot of someone's "greatness" can be a product of other people along with them instead of just them alone
I have never seen a bigger fall off

 

[The Plug]

I just rewatched the show this year. Regardless of all the fukkery in season 6 - 8 of game of Thrones, the show is still top tier.

It got me into listening to the audio books of a song of Ice and Fire and this shyt is better than the show by the 5th book.

 

[Eternally Jaded]

How is something unexpected flat? She went from a revenge-driven little girl to a young woman who did what she had to do at the time to save the world. Writers had to juelzed it because it's one of those things where people (like y'all) want to be rewarded with the clear solution you thought was coming. The show was not written to be lineal as the books so that's moot.

The show also began to outpace the book so sticking 100% to source material wasn't possible and isn't as entertaining as you think.

Jon not desiring to be a hero or king is the exact reason why he was the perfect king, he did the right thing every single time without it being required of him. Everyone else had an obligation or a self-serving agenda for their moves.

No, Ned would've stayed within his rank and let shyt happen because he made an oath as a Watchman. Jon saw beyond that unwavering sense of by the book honor and broke rules (which meant customs or occasionally oaths) to protect or empower others which is what leaders have to do.

Everything you've said in this description of Ned tells me that you missed the entire point of Ned Stark.

Ned lived his life in opposition to by the book honor.
Saving Jon Snow? Not by the book.
Raising his b*stard with his family? Not by the book.
Arguing with his king for the life of the daughter of the man who murdered his father and brother? Not by the book.
Telling Cersei what he knew and giving her the chance to run? Not by the book.

Ned used the clout and currency of his public persona to always try and do the ultimately right thing by the many.

Any time someone says Ned Stark was more focused on honor than anything else, I wonder if we read the same books or watched the same show.

"Do you nikkas listen to music or just skim through it?"

 

[The Plug]

In the book he was trying to do right by the lady and the baby and not make another b*stard like Jon Snow. Grown man shyt

High key it was his dads fault for telling him the truth

The show decided to make him sprung off that caramel skin

Not gonna lie, I actually like the shows Talissa over the books girl or whatever her name.

shyt fell off when stannis died rip og

Crazy how Stannis is still alive in the upcoming book. It looks like the direction that RR Martin wanted to go with was him fighting the Boltons with the Northmen and not Jon's battle of the b*stards.

Catelyn comes back?

In the books yea. Show runners said they didn't want to much magical stuff at that point in the show but ironically the show ended up with too much magical stuff.

 

[The Plug]

Tyrion hooker bytch Shae really not caring about him was some hurtful shyt he loved that hoe and I thought she loved him, but the ancient saying of you can’t turn a hoe into a house wife is brutally true


Her fukking his daddy was some of the sadest shyt I’ve ever saw on tv

The show did this one great because in the show she actually cared for him and she betrayed him because she felt he betrayed her. In the book, Shae is super flat. By the time she died, I just realized every single time she was with Tyrion she was always fukking, asking him to fukk or asking him for jewelry while show Shae wanted to be more than that.

That's another thing that didn't make sense. They left out Jamie telling tyrion something before he flees kings landing in the book. Tyrion confronting his dad makes zero sense story wise on the show.

Tbh he hated his dad in the show because of all the shyt he put him through. At this point, Tyrion really thinks his dad wants to kill him so he killed him first. The book just does it better because it reminded us of the truth of Tysha which the show just forgot after a certain point.

 

[saturn7]

The book was filled with pump faking. It seems to be an intentional trope from G.R.R. Martin. He will tease or foreshadow an event/fight then will hit us with the swerve.

Hell in Season 1 of the show and in the first 3 books we got teased with

Jorah Mormont the disgraced Northern exile getting a one on one with Eddard Stark

Kahl Drogo vs Robert Baratheon

Robb Starks Northern Army vs. Lord Tywin's Western Army

The giant of the North Greatjohn Umber vs. Lannisters top goon the Mountain Gregor Clegane

 

[saturn7]

shyt fell off when stannis died rip og

Book Stannis is far superior.

The Cliffhanger at the end of Book 5 was so dope. That letter from Ramsay to Jon lol.

"Your false King is dead. b*stard."

"I want my bride back. I want the false King's Queen. I want his daughter and his Red Witch. I want his wildling Princess. I want his little Prince the wildling babe. And I want my Reek!"