Supreme365
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Wrong to the 10th degree
Was MJ really that much better than Kareem??
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Wrong to the 10th degree
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
but he didnt, lol.
shyt, if Wilt decided to play 3 more years, he would still have the all time scoring record.
Supreme365
Superstar
Nah Kareem not going lower than two he'd most likely be first off the board mj,lebron and bird were all great but none of them hit the ground running like cap who was arguably the best in the league by his 2nd season and would remain a dominant force 15 to 20 years later
MALONE COULD HAVE COME BACK AND CHUCKED FOR ONE SEASON(Just needed 18ppg)
AND GOT THE RECORD.
NO ONE GIVES A fukk ABOUT THAT RECORD.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
hence why you felt the need to shyt on it. If Jordan had the record, it would be another accolade you can use for him.
NO ONE GIVES A fukk ABOUT THAT RECORD.
being an all time CUMULATIVE scoring leader means nothing next to the all time scoring leader in points per game.
It's the per game statistics that should be used in these arguments, not cumulative totals. MJ could've easily racked up more total points if he stayed an nba player long enough....but could kareem average 30.1 points per game for his entire career?
totals are irrelevant. as far as i'm concerned michael jordan is the all time leading scorer in nba history.
It's the per game statistics that should be used in these arguments, not cumulative totals. MJ could've easily racked up more total points if he stayed an nba player long enough....but could kareem average 30.1 points per game for his entire career?
totals are irrelevant. as far as i'm concerned michael jordan is the all time leading scorer in nba history.
Absolutely not. Who controls the pace of the game? Who initiates the offense? Who makes the late game decisions? You have Jordan and Abdul-Jabbar on your team, who is making the last decisions at the end of the game? Shaq was better than Kobe, more dominant, but who has controlling the offense at the most important moments of close games? Kareem was better than Magic, same question. Shaq, Wade. There are rare exceptions to this, probably none when the skill level of each player is close.
Supreme365
Superstar
Are we drafting with only knowledge of them as prospects because if so Jordan doesn't go top 20 and no ones challenging Kareem for the top spot but if we're drafting in retrospect of how their careers played out then your Oder is pretty accurate I would drop shaq out of the top 5 tho
Supreme365
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His high school career is nothing like Kareem's, nor was his college career even.
Kareem is legitimately the greatest college player ever, and it's probably between he and LeBron as greatest high school player ever.
And that's not a slight to Jordan on ANY level, it's just a testament to Cap's greatness.
I don't know who I have between Jordan/Kareem/LeBron as the GOAT, but all of these guys have incredible arguments.
I might take Jordan's peak on my team, LeBron if I were starting a team from scratch/beginning of everyone's career, and Kareem's overall career, so they all have ties to being the GOAT in a way.
That's the top 3 all time in my opinion
1)Mj
Kareem/lebron
But he DIDN'T.You can't keep giving this guy credit for things he WOULD'VE done when he DIDN'T do it.
You can't just assume that a player is going to keep his peak performance going for an extra five to seven years, just "because". Longevity DOES mean something. Not everyone CAN have longevity. You don't think Jordan actually benefitted for completely skipping out on seasons? The guy retired the first time because, according to him, he was essentially bored of the game and had accomplished to a level he felt was enough. Does that sound like somebody who was going to have the mentality to just keep his dominance going straight for the next five years?
No, YOU don't give a fukk about the record because Jordan doesn't have it. If Jordan had that record you'd be spouting about it all through this thread.
(Just needed 18ppg)
AND GOT THE RECORD.
NO ONE GIVES A fukk ABOUT THAT RECORD.
Supreme365
Superstar
A great big controls the most important part of the game which is the rim he can elevate a d all by himself and the team that usually controls the boards wins the games there have been a few guards who have been outliers and have had impacts similar to bigs but the bigs still run this league damn near every great big has atleast led his team to a finals appearance while some hall of fame guards have never got out of the first round or made it past the second
This is DEFINITELY not true.
And even in the past most of those great bigs that won titles didn't win them without great perimeter play. Since the 80s, how many teams won titles with their far and away dominant player not being able to handle the rock on the perimeter? The Spurs and Rockets, right? We've probably got more examples of the opposite.
You say the most important part of the game is controlling the rebounds and rim protection. I'd argue that the most important thing to have is someone who can get the offense set and score at the end of close games, and while both are important, it's easier to get the former than the latter.
put it this way....we don't know if MJ could've done it, sure. but you can't rule it out, especially considering it's MJ. and Jordan didn't have to perform at his peak to do it either. 3 or 4 more seasons averaging 23 points per game would've done the job.
You can't keep giving this guy credit for things he WOULD'VE done when he DIDN'T do it.
You can't just assume that a player is going to keep his peak performance going for an extra five to seven years, just "because". Longevity DOES mean something. Not everyone CAN have longevity. You don't think Jordan actually benefitted for completely skipping out on seasons? The guy retired the first time because, according to him, he was essentially bored of the game and had accomplished to a level he felt was enough. Does that sound like somebody who was going to have the mentality to just keep his dominance going straight for the next five years?
and it's not that difficult for him to do (the way you're making it seem)
with kareem we already know he didn't and obviously he couldn't, because if he could why didn't he [average 30+points per game for his career]?
my point remains.....per game statistics have A LOT more value than cumulative totals. and it's not even close.