We Are the Generation That Doesn’t Want Relationships

BocaRear

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Seems like this article is missing the larger scope of the issue which is, this generation wants things without having to actually work for them, this isn't limited to relationships.

Why should you WORK within a relationship? I never understood this concept.
Life is already stressful enough, fukk I look like constantly arguing and dealing with another persons bullshyt?

Man that shyt is for suckers, like I said western relationships are fukking trash

Moment you stop having fun in a relationship, bounce:heh:
 

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Why should you WORK within a relationship? I never understood this concept.
Life is already stressful enough, fukk I look like constantly arguing and dealing with another persons bullshyt?

Man that shyt is for suckers, like I said western relationships are fukking trash

Moment you stop having fun in a relationship, bounce:heh:

You sound like a teenager.

Relationships of any meaningful kind take effort and hard work to maintain.
 

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When I think about that, I think about how there's one for black people having kids without being married. I believe that will change as well.
It's stupid because white people get married have kids then divorce 5 years later ending up in the same situation.

When I was in school I could count on my hand the amount of white kids that were living with both real parents. I knew more black kids who were living with both parents and there weren't even that many black kids at our school.
 

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Why should you WORK within a relationship? I never understood this concept.
Life is already stressful enough, fukk I look like constantly arguing and dealing with another persons bullshyt?

Man that shyt is for suckers, like I said western relationships are fukking trash

Moment you stop having fun in a relationship, bounce:heh:
Do you stop being friends with people when you stop having fun with them?
Are you one of those people who always need to be entertained and to other people for entertainment?
Or are you one of those people that is always extra, trying to be the life of the party so people won't think you're boring?
Everything isn't about fun all of the time.
You're a teen though so.
 

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There's a lot of damaged and bitter people in society :francis:

A society filled with damage people that are taught to always be on guard or have already been hurt lead to lousy and unsuccessful relationships. A lot of people can't even think for themselves and they rely on what other people say without even experiencing anything. How many times have you heard teenage kids talking about the opposite sex and how they can't be trusted? They're damaged already.

It's possible to meet people who have been hurt in life and can still move on with their life but there are still plenty of people who hold on to past hurt and hold themselves back from experiencing something special. I don't agree with giving up on relationships but I can see why people get frustrated with it when I remember how damaged people are in this society.
 

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You sound like a teenager.

Relationships of any meaningful kind take effort and hard work to maintain.

You didn't answer my question

Why SHOULD "meaningful" relationships take effort and hard work?

Why would you put voluntarily put yourself through additional stress when life is already stressful enough?

This is just some feel good Oprah/Tyler Perry rhetoric

"Oh chile work through the tough times if you REALLY luv somebody"

it's all nonsense
 

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Devoid of a discussion of economics/law, this article is kind of useless to me.

I'm way more willing to take a shot with someone who I'm 80% sure I want to live my life with if I know it's not going to come at the cost of everything I've built for myself or not being able to see the kids I eventually have.

Also, as a dude who's been willing / ready to settle down, getting a woman who is compliant is way too difficult today. There are way too women who've bought into this notion that they're princesses or that you need to "put in work" to keep them while not expecting the same in return. Tell a woman she needs to workout, even in the softest, most collaborative way, and 9 times out of 10 you're going to be an a$$hole who's inconsiderate.

My problem is that there's barely any reciprocity left in relationships. Let me lose my job and take 12+ months to find one- very few women will shame another woman for leaving in that situation.

Expectations are so high for a lot of men, and the men facing the lowest expectations are the ones that are only willing to give hard dikk and bubble gum. It's fukked. The appeal of working what's essentially a 2nd job because of how a chick was raised, with her whims constantly validated and you being the person who needs to validate them for the rest of her life, is pretty unappealing unless the chick brings a whole bunch of other shyt to the table.

In essence, I've found women's lists of what they want is 100 items long and changes at least weekly, and they fault you when you fail to anticipate them. It can be managed with the right mindset, but that's one that sees them as children rather than equals.

On the other hand, most dudes just want the following from a girl:
1. look good / stay in shape enough so we wanna have sex with you
2*. cook / clean
3*. provide some kind of income
Note: * denotes optional

Layer on inequitable disposition of assets / custody in divorce to this dynamic, and you're gonna get a "Hell no" to committed relationships 98% of the time from dudes with options.
 
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Do you stop being friends with people when you stop having fun with them?
Are you one of those people who always need to be entertained and to other people for entertainment?
Or are you one of those people that is always extra, trying to be the life of the party so people won't think you're boring?
Everything isn't about fun all of the time.
You're a teen though so.

don't try to belittle me as if you're some sort of "real adult", I am also an adult. There are no real adults. You're just as clueless about life as I am. We're all just expressing our own interpretations and perspectives of things

& the Difference is, I don't fukk my friends and there's no exclusivity in friendship. When you're in a commited relationship like marriage, you're really stuck with that person as in legally binded to them for life.
All that sounds "make love work" shyt sounds good, but realistically when you're on this earth for maybe 80 years if you're lucky (60 years if you're a black man :mjcry:), who really has time to be in a committed relationship with someone who brings you stress?:francis:

Especially nowadays since everything in the west is all fukked up and its basically every one for themselves out here, you don't owe anybody shyt :ehh:
 

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There's a lot of damaged and bitter people in society :francis:

A society filled with damage people that are taught to always be on guard or have already been hurt lead to lousy and unsuccessful relationships. A lot of people can't even think for themselves and they rely on what other people say without even experiencing anything. How many times have you heard teenage kids talking about the opposite sex and how they can't be trusted? They're damaged already.

It's possible to meet people who have been hurt in life and can still move on with their life but there are still plenty of people who hold on to past hurt and hold themselves back from experiencing something special. I don't agree with giving up on relationships but I can see why people get frustrated with it when I remember how damaged people are in this society.
:mjcry:
 

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You didn't answer my question

Why SHOULD "meaningful" relationships take effort and hard work?

Why would you put voluntarily put yourself through additional stress when life is already stressful enough?

This is just some feel good Oprah/Tyler Perry rhetoric

"Oh chile work through the tough times if you REALLY luv somebody"

it's all nonsense

relationships take effort and hard work because human beings are capricious, if your significant other has a terrible day at work, they aren't able to flip a switch when they get home and mute that experience, you have to deal with that and be understanding which can be very difficult at times because as a human being with a life of your own, you're probably going through shyt too.

This is just one example of the many we deal with as human beings interacting with each other.

relationships aren't a Disney movie, there is no walking into the sunset to live happily ever after.

relationships with other human beings require hard work.
 

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relationships take effort and hard work because human beings are capricious, if your significant other has a terrible day at work, they aren't able to flip a switch when they get home and mute that experience, you have to deal with that and be understanding which can be very difficult at times because as a human being with a life of your own, you're probably going through shyt too in your everyday life.

This is just one example of the many we deal with as human beings interacting with each other.

relationships aren't a Disney movie, there is no walking into the sunset to live happily ever after.

relationships with other human beings require hard work.

a relationship shouldn't be a source of additional stress in your life, when you have work and bills to think about, it should be a place of comfort

which is exactly why I say relationships in 2016 are outdated

and hopefully when sex robots come we can limit interaction to 0 :ehh:
 

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There used to be a huge huge stigma in this country when it came to divorce. That's why marriage was such a big deal. You basically got married just once and that was it. You didn't just get divorced, your husband/wife better damn die first. But by then you've already had 2-3-10 kids and plus you didn't work as a woman most likely so you didn't just marry the next guy. Cheating and stuff happened then too, but because the stigma of divorce and fear of loneliness from the womans POV, you just stuck it out. Divorce didn't even make any sense. Compare that today.
What you said reminds me of a blogpost I saved, that I've reposted on here a few times. I'll repost it when I get home.

i see certain parts of what was said alot differently from what was written in this article, and the whole "women this, women that" shyt is tired(granted it is from 200fukkin7, which is why convos on here are kinda irritating, cause i've been seeing the same points for over 10 years, which lets me know we're stuck in a loop), but here it is...

Monday, July 16, 2007
Why Marriage No Longer Works

I am a believer in Occum's Razor. The simplest and clearest explanation is often the best one.

I am seeing divorce occur among the usual married but also with traditional religious. Sometimes it is the woman who initiates the divorce. Other times, it is the man.

The desire for divorce has been said to be the effect of immorality, paganism, repression, bad male attributes, bad female attiributes, and so on. But one thing every example has in common is that the person claims authorship of their lives.

Imagine one's life is a story and the person wants to control the pen writing that story. Sounds fair and good. But no one could alter the state of their marriage in most of history. Throughout time, arranged marriages were the norm. In fact, throughout most societies people were not the author of their lives.

Marriages tend to work when one of the couple does whatever the other wishes, or both do what someone else wishes. One may claim authorship over their lives and, often, that can lead to divorce if she (or he) decides to "get more" somewhere. If two claim authorship over their lives, then no relationship is possible.

Most men surrender to "love". They go along to get along. In long marriage couples, studies (and validated by my own parents) show that often the man does what the woman wants.

It is the modern illusion that marriage is supposed to be about happiness. Households and vast family trees used to be revered. Aristocracy protected their line very carefully but even the peasants were family centric. It was not a nuclear family, but even more. Young couples often moved in with their parents. Four generations could be under one household.

Marriage was a joining of two families and, that alone, was seen as a major effect. There was no atomization. The heritage went on. Young sons would take over family farms and businesses or become king.

The radical change has not been marriage or sexual mores but the complete abolishment of heritage. No one cares about the family line. A woman having kids from multiple fathers would never have been permitted back then. Why? It would destroy the family line.

Marriages worked because there was a family line and marriage was seen as an extension of that. Today, marriage is legally and metaphorically seen as a contract of consensus. One could describe it as people duct taped together (the duct tape being the law). People did not tolerate single mothers and whores because of the family line.

For proof of how revered the 'family line' was, consider the b*stard. In Shakespeare, the 'b*stard' played most of the villians. The b*stard was an outcast.

It is not a coincidence that that the abolishment of the family line has disrupted reproduction rates to below replacement levels. When the family line was intact, people had many children. The family line went on and spread.

For over a century, women have used "love" as something men to surrender so she claims authorship over her (and now his) life. Curiously, young women today are now even throwing out their charade of 'love' and expect men to obey anyway. I have tried to tell them that attacking romance will not be helpful to their longterm plans. They do not listen and wonder why they are alone.

It is important how we define a 'successful' marriage. Is a long lasting marriage a 'success'? Not if it produces little children and gives the man an early grave. A 'successful' marriage should leave the earth with more people than when the married couple was born. A 'successful' marriage should have some sort of wealth to pass down to heirs... even a poor old farm. A 'successful' marriage should create a family line.

This means the modern 'successful' marriages are bunk. There is no wealth to pass down. No children aside from a replacement or two. And no family line. So having one in the couple claim authorship of their lives does not help.

The 'successful' marriages (using the definition above) appear to neither claim authorship. They let family, religion, or something else be the author. It is this non-authorship what is declared to be 'non-freedom'. So when a feminist or someone says she needs more 'freedom', she wants more power to be an author on her life (i.e. to do whatever she wants).

It is true that women were 'controlled' back then. But it is also true that men were 'controlled' as well. As today we may protest this non-authorship, the results cannot be denied. In non-English countries, we can see some of this still in effect. In China, the family line is so cherished that they are willing to kill their own daughters in order to have male heirs. In America, Mormonism is growing by leaps and bounds because of the reverence toward the family line. It is not a coincidence that one of the largest geneological research libraries exist in a Mormon Church.

A common modern delusion is the belief that creativity means the absence of controls, of constrictions. Rather, creativity was the opposite. Mozart's education was very controlled, very constricted, and steeped in mathematics and Humanities. But all this heat and pressure created diamonds. A good poet knows the mathematics behind music and how language is constructed. Bad poets only expel their feelings like gas. From working out, to achieving new goals, to excellent painting, poetry, or writing, it all depends on definite controls.

If someone went into a gym and said, "I will become author of my own body!" and began doing one exercise and then another with no sense, he would be thought mad. It is the same with our mind. If you read comic books, you will be stupider than someone who read Plato. In order to go anywhere in life, one must push. And to push means contrictions.

It is well documented that children prefer order to chaos. In dating and love, there is confusion because there is no system, no controls, nothing. Courtship is dead. The harder rules we impose on ourselves, the happier we become. The key to improving life is to improve your standards for yourself.

When someone acts in "who they are", they are content. A painter who paints is content. But if the painter wants money or something else and becomes a banker, he becomes unhappy despite getting what he wants. When we let "what we want" interfere with "who we are", we get bent.

In order to solve the marriage problem, we need to ask, "Whom is marriage?" instead of "What I Want in marriage". I expect everyone to disagree with this. But that is because people still believe 'relationships' happen. No. People do not even see one another. They are in a relationship with a "want" and are pursuing it. But "want"s are fickle. They change and multiply. This is why women are never satisfied. It is because they are in love with wants, not men.

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