We DO negotiate with terrorist, 5 gitmo detainees traded for a American solider.

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Good. And no one died looking for this man.

They died fighting in a war. In a war, there are different missions and objectives. They were in area of operation conducting regular contact patrols. If the patrol frequency increased because of them trying to find this man, it doesn't change the fact that they died coming in contact with the enemy, the same enemy they would have faced on any other day. I have yet to see proof of strategic or tactical change of course that can be pointed to as a means for those 6 men dying to look for Bergdahl.
It sounds harsh but soldiers are mean't to fight and die. The dead ones did their job. It's corny when people act like they care about some dudes they never knew dying. If the same dudes died after they got out the army in a murder, car crash or whatever, none of these cats would give 2 shyts. They just care about uniforms gettin' killed, not the actual strangers who wore them.
 

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Kinda would have goosed the whole transfer though?
I am actually surprised once he was loaded into the chopper and out of immediate danger that they didn't just hit the pickup that the Taliban dropped him off in. I am glad they didn't cause it would have meant these dudes would never risk exchanging another prisoner ever again. It would have also given more fuel for them to preach that American's are deceitful, murderous, untrustworthy, cowardly, dishonorable etc. "See what the American's are like, after promising a fair exchange, they did not follow their promise and martyred our honorable soldiers for fulfilling their end of the bargain."
 

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I am actually surprised once he was loaded into the chopper and out of immediate danger that they didn't just hit the pickup that the Taliban dropped him off in. I am glad they didn't cause it would have meant these dudes would never risk exchanging another prisoner ever again. It would have also given more fuel for them to preach that American's are deceitful, murderous, untrustworthy, cowardly, dishonorable etc. "See what the American's are like, after promising a fair exchange, they did not follow their promise and martyred our honorable soldiers for fulfilling their end of the bargain."

Probably got tired of torpedoing themselves at the talks they've been trying to hold for the last decade.

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This whole situation was a win/win for the US at the end of the day. I'm really happy and proud of the responsible parties.
 

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A specific mission to find him would be something like Bin Laden or the Captain Phillips situation. Two of those men died on post in a base. The 4 others during what amounts to contact patrols in the AO, something that (should) happen everyday anyway (the patrols, not the deaths). RIP to them, but their deaths cannot be specifically traced to looking for Bergdahl.

You go on patrols to make contact with the enemy. That's the entire fukking point of a contact patrol. You bring the enemy out, close on them and kill them. Or be killed.

According to the guy who served with him, the soldiers wouldn't be where they were if Bergdahl wasn't missing. You are talking in the sense we all die one day anyway so if someone kills us it's no big deal.
 

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Probably got tired of torpedoing themselves at the talks they've been trying to hold for the last decade.

:heh:


This whole situation was a win/win for the US at the end of the day. I'm really happy and proud of the responsible parties.
I feel like this entire thing proved communication gets a helluva lot more accomplished than droppin' bombs does.

Far fetched, but imagine if they put a remote controlled vest on dude, and he was brainwashed on some brody shyt. Then they detonated it once he to the chopper. Be some movie ish.
 

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It shouldn't take a situation like this for a "civilized" country to release detainees after refusing to bring them to trial.
 

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It shouldn't take a situation like this for a "civilized" country to release detainees after refusing to bring them to trial.
There should have been a trail yes, but these were high ranking talibans, they deserve to get tortured to death.
 

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A traitor would be someone who willfully committed an act towards the US forces or gave up key information. None of it has been proven true. He does deserve to be charged with desertion and placed in a cell, that's for sure. I need to see the evidence for being a traitor though. That's a grave charge.

Meanwhile, we traded 5 people who have been unconstitutionally kept as prisoners without being charged properly, in a place that shouldn't exist. They have been removed from the battlefield for 10 years. We freed German and Japan POWs almost instantly in some cases. In return, we brought someone who could possibly be mentally ill and is an American. Oh, and he might have 5 years worth of intel to provide about movements, tactics, leadership structure and so on.

The man is not a hero. He is not an honorable man in my opinion. He committed a crime and should be punished for it barring a mental evolutional qualifies him as mentally incompetent. He made it be known that he wanted to come home.

That being said, it does set a dangerous precedent. I don't appreciate the President and Democrats having a victory parade and press events for it. His administration also surely committed a crime by not notifying congress and the subsequent excuses about the Sergeant's deteriorating health doesn't excuse that in my opinion. He absolutely deserves backlash as well.

Yeah pretty much, I remember reading about dude a while back and while I'm reading it I'm wondering why this isnt a big ass story, but even that story they mentioned that he probably deserted and the I figured that's why it's not being made a big deal

My point is even I knew of the desertion issue, why did the White House try to act like he was a hero or act like it was a win win situation?
 

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Full vid of the release

0 - 12min is bergdahl getting release

1230 -20:00 video of the alleged terrorist gettin released

 

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My point is even I knew of the desertion issue, why did the White House try to act like he was a hero or act like it was a win win situation?

Did they act like he was a hero or were they happy to accomplish a goal?

How is it not a win win?
 

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According to the guy who served with him, the soldiers wouldn't be where they were if Bergdahl wasn't missing. You are talking in the sense we all die one day anyway so if someone kills us it's no big deal.



Not true. They were operating in their Area of Operations. That's what AO means. This includes conducting contact patrols. This is infantry 101 shyt.

Between earlier and now, I came across this NYT article which sought to explore how true the claims of the soldiers were

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/w...-be-tied-to-6-lost-lives-facts-are-murky.html
 
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