We Old Heads are the same as '85 Old Heads. "Rap is Crap"

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I was born in the 70's. Started listening to rap around '84.

People who grew up on 80's hip-hop didn't reject 90's hip-hop. I have no idea how the rumor even started. It's especially nonsensical when you look at how many 90's rappers and producers have a direct lineage from 80's rappers and producers. From Jay and BDK, to Nas and Rakim....hell, even UGK were fans of Kool G Rap.

And nah, that's obviously not the premise of the thread if dude is talking about his parents criticized sampling. He's talking about us (old heads) criticizing new rap the same way our parents criticized our music. It's a false equivalency though because rap was a completely new genre to our parents. So they weren't splitting hairs about the quality of rap....in most cases they were rejecting it entirely.

Fred.


young knuckle head hip hoppers always got rejected ...........they couldn't get into certain clubs n parties so they started block/house parties or whatever.

they were always rejected by whites/police of course but also by older/high/calm class in general before the lyrics/music even came around or became the prominent part of the culture .:yeshrug:
 
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Nikkas get old and get disgruntled when they realize Hip Hop doesn't represent their ideologies, fashion, etc. anymore. It's like they don't acknowledge the fact that the world doesn't revolve around them and their generation. I hope I don't grow up to become one of you flabby n agitated nikkas:scust:

Breh I got zero problems with young people but this ain't your generation's music. It's 40 fukking years old. It would be like me trying to school my pops on Chuck Berry or some shyt.

The reason there's such a generation gap in hip-hop is because every generation prior to this one had their own sound. 50's had doo-wop, 60's had psychaledic rock, 70's had soul and classic rock, 80's had disco, metal and hip-hop, etc.

For the first time in (recent) history you have a group of young people with no sound of their own, latching onto something that started 3 decades prior.

Fred.
 

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Breh I got zero problems with young people but this ain't your generation's music. It's 40 fukking years old. It would be like me trying to school my pops on Chuck Berry or some shyt.

The reason there's such a generation gap in hip-hop is because every generation prior to this one had their own sound. 50's had doo-wop, 60's had psychaledic rock, 70's had soul and classic rock, 80's had disco, metal and hip-hop, etc.

For the first time in (recent) history you have a group of young people with no sound of their own, latching onto something that started 3 decades prior.

Fred.


what did the 90s have?
 

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I walked around listening to raekwon album 24/7 and all I heard from my uncle was "u still listening to that fat nikka? Hip hop was about partying having a good time. Brothers used to have a message. Bring the community together..how u listen to him. He thinks he in a scarface movie killing people and selling drugs"

There is obviously outliers breh. But you saying your uncle was shytting on Rae....I'm sure he was but that's like someone saying Com's "I Used To Love Her" proves people always complained about the quality of rap. His shyt sold like 2000 copies. That doesn't invalidate Com's opinion....but it damn sure wasn't wide spread, either.

Fred.
 

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There is obviously outliers breh. But you saying your uncle was shytting on Rae....I'm sure he was but that's like someone saying Com's "I Used To Love Her" proves people always complained about the quality of rap. His shyt sold like 2000 copies. That doesn't invalidate Com's opinion....but it damn sure wasn't wide spread, either.

Fred.
to your original post with the kids trying to dictate what is good in a genre that's 40 years old..We were in the 90s trying to dictate what was good in a genre that was 20 years old.

Rock as a genre for example..I think we look back and it was better in the 90s than the 80s (rap too imo)
 

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what did the 90s have?

Grunge, which is a sub genre of rock, that killed a previous sub genre of rock, hair bands. Also, hip-hop.

For the record when I say "a generation's music" I mean what their generation created and/or popularized as their own.

This generation has done neither for rap.

Lastly, the problem (?) with rap is it never died. Look at every previous genre I mentioned....they're all gone (doo wop, disco) or a shadow of their former selves (metal). That made way for the next generation to create something new.

Hip-hop exploded from the 80's into the 90's....and then that's it. I don't even mean quality-wise it fell off, that's another topic entirely.

I mean it's damn near impossible to reinvent the wheel after 40 years. Which is why we got cases like "the Migos flow" which is just Lord Infamous. Or "drill rap" which is just gangsta rap with a new name.

Fred.
 

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Breh I got zero problems with young people but this ain't your generation's music. It's 40 fukking years old. It would be like me trying to school my pops on Chuck Berry or some shyt.

The reason there's such a generation gap in hip-hop is because every generation prior to this one had their own sound. 50's had doo-wop, 60's had psychaledic rock, 70's had soul and classic rock, 80's had disco, metal and hip-hop, etc.

For the first time in (recent) history you have a group of young people with no sound of their own, latching onto something that started 3 decades prior.

Fred.

and said young people insist on calling it hip hop and being accepted within hip hop, instead of just calling it "prozoto hiprap" or whatever the fukk is hot slang right now :flabbynsick:
 

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to your original post with the kids trying to dictate what is good in a genre that's 40 years old..We were in the 90s trying to dictate what was good in a genre that was 20 years old.

Rock as a genre for example..I think we look back and it was better in the 90s than the 80s (rap too imo)

Nah, because hip-hop hadn't been mainstream for 20 years in the mid 90's. It had barely been mainstream for 10 years. The vast majority of America wasn't into rap in the 70's.

Also keep in mind the relationship between the 80's and the 90's was very symbiotic. As I mentioned you had BDK mentoring a young Jay-Z....Marley Marl mentoring a young RZA, etc.

It wasn't like RZA came out on some "fukk them old heads, this is ours now". That's what is so :dahell: about these young dudes. How you gonna claim some shyt as your own, that started 20 years before you existed, and expect the original generation to just step aside?

shyt is wild to me.:mjlol:

Fred.
 

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Nah, because hip-hop hadn't been mainstream for 20 years in the mid 90's. It had barely been mainstream for 10 years. The vast majority of America wasn't into rap in the 70's.

Also keep in mind the relationship between the 80's and the 90's was very symbiotic. As I mentioned you had BDK mentoring a young Jay-Z....Marley Marl mentoring a young RZA, etc.

It wasn't like RZA came out on some "fukk them old heads, this is ours now". That's what is so :dahell: about these young dudes. How you gonna claim some shyt as your own, that started 20 years before you existed, and expect the original generation to just step aside?

shyt is wild to me.:mjlol:

Fred.
I get that. And I think rap gets worse by the day.

I just remember my neighborhood/basketball courts etc.. Having to constantly defend hip hop that I was listening to to washed up old heads constantly. So i see both sides.
 

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This hip hop shyt ended up being the longest running genre of them all shyts actually weird when you think about it

Black music used ti change completely like every ten years starting in 1900

Blues
Jazz
Doo wop
Soul
Funk
Disco
Hip hop

These kids didn't bring nothing new to black music

In fact they are letting white boys steal r and b
 

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I am on the Hip Hop is Dead wave, but I check myself.

My folks told me that [sampling*] wasn't real music (*[insert musical aspect]). Said our shyt was ignorant. Too lewd. Too violent.

They have to defy the old thinking and dress and talk in ways that make us uncomfortable. We sure did.
NOPE aint buying it.

see i dont have to love todays music to respect it. i dont respect it, because its HOT TRASH (not all. MOST of it).

sorry you can keep parading around a fraud name drake as your #1 and think i'm about to chalk it up to "i'm old so i dont like the current stuff." WRONG

i had older heads rocking with redman, wu tang, snoop, em, jayz, nas, etc.

Do you know how many old heads LOVE nas. i'm talking dudes/chicks that are deep 40's darn near 50. Do you know why they loved biggie and pac too? because those rappers were that good. that music was THAT good.

the older heads didnt like samping/hiphop at first because they've never seen anything/heard anything like it before. it was super new and with no instrumentation. they couldnt comprehend it. Right now, there is nothing going on in hiphop thats NEW to the point i dont like it. Future abusing autotune.. thast not new. thats old. autotune was being correctly used on singers for decades. Tpain abused it while future was still in middle school.

using Virtual instruments(VSTi's) on a computer is still no different then having a midi keyboard connected to a hard drive full of instruments. there is no difference.

the only thing that has really changed is the speed in which you can create your own music and get it out to the listeners. due to computers and the internet. but the actual sounds are not new at all. the instruments being used are not new either. These rappers are just wack. and these producers are just stale making the same hot beat that came out a day ago vs being creative.

there's a lack of creativity among the talented rappers/producers and there's a lack of talent among a lot of rappers. that is a horrible combination
 

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I never wanted to be the old head that shytted on young people's music. I do think mainstream rap has regressed in terms of pure lyricism, but the fact is that people are more concerned with the beat than the words in the song nowadays. That's hard to accept for many but it was hard to accept artists not playing instruments. For what it's worth, I think today's hip hop producers are phenomenal and today's beats are so much more complex than what I listened to growing up.

I also like many of today's MC's like Joey Badass, Curren$y, A$AP Rocky, Nipsey Hussle, Action Bronson, YG, Stalley, Roc Marciano, and even singer rappers like Drake and Future. Although some of these down south trap dudes don't appeal to me, I still get down to that stuff in a club type setting. So although it will never be like the 90's, I can appreciate what we have going on today.
wait hold on. you said you think todays producers are phenomenal and todays beats are so much more complex.

What beats are these my friend?

i'm not saying i havent heard any hot beats. i have. i'm saying i would never make that statement talking about this entire generation of hiphop beats. these beast are not creative at all. They for the most part are all the same. 90% o them are bootleg southern trap beats. the rest are bootleg drake beats. (which we now know are other people's type of songs that him and his producer steals/i mean borrows from).

there is literally NO innovation in these beats. Due to the internet and youtube, everyone now knows how to make that triplet high hat sound and the triplet snare sound, and how to go up and down the scales with the 808. and because everyone has to piggy back off of their favorite rapper. everyone has a beat up called "DRAKE TYPE BEAT", " so and so type beat."

this is a top hiphop song right now




That aint Special. You better be glad i dont have my OLD tapes. i said it, TAPES. when i first called myself making beats with a keyboard. i've made a beat that sounds just like this. simple melody and a beat. you know whats different in mines vs this one? They are using all the same drump loops that everyone uses today. even the rise effects are over used in every song. you hear those triplet highhats. haa haa. told you. that rise sound is from the original Fruity loops. i would know, i was messing with FL studio before it was called FL. it was originaly Fruity loops. was only designed for electronica music and techno. no one in the industry was using it back then. my homies use to try to clown me when i use to try out all the new software for hiphop production. but i told them. this is the wave of the future. i was right of course.

Half of the songs this gen falls in love with sounds like old too short songs from the late 80's. mixed with a 8 ball and MJG vibe. they just update the drum pattern to sound like everyones stuff out right now. thats literally it.

i mean its 2015 and we still hearing dudes using the "ay ay" sample of dudes saying it in the background to keep the beat going. that was being used in the early 2000's. they are using it still in 2015.

most of these beats are not ground breaking.

let me explain to you whats ground breaking.

WHEN THIS ISH DROPPED.. we were all like whoooaaaa. it was AT Aliens by outkast. yes the beat is simple and a sample. but the manner in which they filtered up the sample was not done before in hiphop. nothing sounded like that before that moment. and again go back and listen to the beat you hear those triplet snares. i told you thats OLD south. what you hear today aint new at all.

but guess what, back then no one was duplicating that beat/ or that outkast sound. its was too hard to duplicate.

now its easy to mimic another beat makers sound because odds are he's using the same melodies, keys, chords, drum loops, rise effect as everyone else. and they have youtube videos showing you how it was made and replicated. so you can copy it too. so this makes dudes think they're good at making music but they're not. they're good at making copied versions of something thats already hot.

i mean half of the Wu tang beats that dropped back when they were hot. were so different that no one could duplicate that style. no one was doing dr dre's style. and his style was forever changing up every time he dropped.

the only thing they do today is they sample a lot less and play the same melodies the last man played. so to keep more money in their pockets. but the beat still sounds like the last guys beat.
 
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